--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, >what > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what >could > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > with its meditators?
The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the same, that people must `sever all connection with other saints to participate'. That people sever all other spiritual practices of other saints and that people never reestablish a connection with other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints. That people must put this all in writing to join. The personal interpretation of the administration (Jeff Cohen) is that "M feels disappointed and that it is a betrayal of everything he has given people", that it was never a guideline that "all sins are forgiven" or to "forgive and forget" about people seeing other spiritual saints. "But that from this moment the guidelines hold". With the Tmorg, that regardless as MMY was saying when asked, `forgive and forget' or the notion that "all sins are forgiven" got about, that these are not the guidelines for doing the group meditation program with the TMorg. "From this moment on the guidelines hold" as Jeff Cohen directly explained to Jeannie Ryan who they accuse of being an Ammachi devotee. An irony if you knew Jeannie is that she is not a `devotee' of Ammachi. Regardless, Jeannie was denied acceptance and entry to the dome group meditation on campus on these terms and interpretation. That is the status quo. It was a sad day in FF. JGD, -Doug in FF > > > Word on the street > Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient in their positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back to their ways of insisting that people recant their visits with the saints and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated with or see the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the group > meditations. > > "forgive and forget" was evidently a feel-good myth as ploy to have > people come in to register. > > For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted > this week for registration for the dome meditation program. > > Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn communities to > help moderate peace between people, one of the first things they try > to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties. There are > other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition? The Tmorg > is not even close to even a ceasefire with its meditating community. > > > > > > > For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month (July 06), > > thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. The > > meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM meditating > > community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out of the > > countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave darshan > to > > about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were Fairfudlian TM > > people and their families. Then there was the next day and night > > program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. > > > > Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people `coming > > out' this year with so many TM people now having been generally > `de- > > certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff being `let > go' > > in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the community > > unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. > > > > That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the TMOrg. > > > > It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the numbers, > > what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what could > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg be > > with its meditators? > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > > > >how likely is it that > > > > they'd > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be that > > many > > > > willing > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's > and > > > the > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. 27,000 > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, > with > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > > thousands > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > > called. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to > > reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > > could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > be > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > <babajii_99@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > <jyouells@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > <salsunshine@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. And > > > seeing > > > > > as how > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely is > > it > > > that > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be > that > > > many > > > > > willing > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? > Why > > > even > > > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always > superior > > to > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in India? > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask... > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such controlling; > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: > > > > > Very Sad!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's > > and > > > the > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. > 27,000 > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually > more > > > than I > > > > expected.... > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > , > > > > > .. > > . > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
