--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shemp: > "So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY > but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went > into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You > can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible > things that the Movement turned out to be." > > Me: > I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and fulltime people > can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program just because it > is initially presented in another manor meant to be effective > marketing to the general public. The first presentation of TM is not > the only official way it is presented depending on what level of the > organization you are on. For example, I was tested on TTC on my > feelings as I sang the puja. Quizzed intensely about what feelings I > had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit. This is obviously a long way > from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro lecture, > but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program. > > As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the beliefs were > presented as being purer without the need to interface with a > skeptical public with marketing spin. The inner circle around MMY > ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up exactly as he > wished. I think you are making an artificial distinction between MMY > and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, including the > beliefs of his closest members.
...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is such a failure. That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for many of the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired to do things such as marketing. I think it should be extended to all parts of his operations. > > > > > - In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <groups@> wrote: > > > > > > on 8/12/06 6:36 AM, Bill (William)Simmons at unclewas@ wrote: > > > > > > > > When I first started dating me she was absolutely convinced > > > > she "levitated" meanwhile I'm down stairs listening to the floor > > > > upstairs squeak like hell as she bounced up and down on the bed. > > One > > > > things for certain,,,she's got great thigh muscle development. > > > > > > > I used that phase often during my TM career. It¹s based on the > > assumption > > > that Maharishi has a handle on Absolute Truth. The materials in > > > http://tinyurl.com/bt7sp should cause even the most hard core TB > > to question > > > that assumption. > > > > > > It should if you were a cult member. > > > > Rick, you were involved with the TMO and MMY way, way outside the > > orbit of being a "mere" practitioner of the TM Program. You > > embraced something that had a guru, an organisation that had a > > belief system and an entirely separate and different way of life > > than an ordinary American. > > > > You weren't forced into it and you weren't required to partake of it. > > > > In fact, you were told in the first 5 minutes of the Introductory > > Lecture -- your first official exposure to the TMO -- that it wasn't > > a philosophy or a religion yet you went right ahead and partook of > > that by becoming a TM teacher and living amongst the celibates and > > inner circle of MMY for many, many years. > > > > So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the TMO and MMY > > but in the interests of balance and fairness, you willingly went > > into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM Program. You > > can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the horrible > > things that the Movement turned out to be. > > > > For, to use your words above, "the most hardcore TBer" to now > > question his assumptions by looking at the materials you cite, is a > > bit ingenious. A TBer would have to be a complete idiot to now feel > > shock at all these revelations when from Day One of anyone's > > involvement in the TMO or TMO Inner Circle it was obvious that it > > was "off the program". > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
