And give up the ass kissing they paid so much cash for? I don't think so. The TMers will have to knock the crowns off with tomatoes.
Now the image of Mother Divine ladies dancing, that is an image that will haunt me all day! --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > "They don't do > > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the > > spirit > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's > > all > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > stop pretending we're interested in it for > > scientific > > reasons." > > > > > > Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state > > their beliefs and if > > you want to join you know what you are getting into. > > Religions > > operate this way also and it has a certain > > integrity. TM's > > presentation has always had a slippery element. > > Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream > > movement was his > > downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a > > spiritual primacy of > > consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't > > try to be anything > > else. I don't always share the perspective, but I > > know where you > > stand and I can learn a different view. It has > > integrity. TM's > > presentation tried to be everything to everybody and > > ended up being a > > pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low > > movement numbers > > reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it > > is. The pompous and > > ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack > > of identity > > integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual > > poetic justice! > > I'm waiting for the Raja rebellion where they stand up > and say "No more!" toss their gold-painted crowns > aside and dance the funky chicken with the Mother > divine ladies! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <unclewas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Of course the larger the number the better in > > > > studies worth any > > > > serious consideration. > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. > > > > Because of the length > > > > of time factor of the study group. > > > > > > > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to > > TM's > > > > introduction into > > > > the community and should be verifable through > > past > > > > public/police/court records. > > > > > > > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its > > organization > > > > to the community. > > > > > > > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime > > > > rate could be > > > > tracted along with the steady growth of > > practising > > > > meditators. > > > > > > > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of > > meditations > > > > by a steadily > > > > increasing population of meditators (far > > exceeding > > > > the 1% cl;aimed > > > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must > > result > > > > in a reduction > > > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME > > therory > > > > is disproved. > > > > > > > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of > > such a > > > > study. If > > > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses > > were > > > > reported in > > > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in > > > > Fairfield and how many > > > > reported offenses occured say last year? The > > trends > > > > should point to > > > > a declining crime rate given the significant > > number > > > > of meditators in > > > > the community. > > > > > > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely > > > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about > > > understanding the field effects of consciousness > > they > > > would have to understand why the ME does not > > appear to > > > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to > > > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't > > do > > > this because the purpose of the the ME is > > political, > > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the > > spirit > > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's > > all > > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > > stop pretending we're interested in it for > > scientific > > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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