--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"
> > > > > > <mainstream20016@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016"
> > > > > > <mainstream20016@> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>mainstream20016 wrote
> > > > > > > >> Maharishi is incredibly driven, and for that I'm grateful
> > to him.
> > > > > > > >> For without his drive, its unlikely that I'd be alive.
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Maharishi is cunning , and gets the better half of nearly
> > > > every deal.
> > > > > > > >> How different are you in your dealings, except that your
> > half is
> > > > > > usually less than.
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Maharishi's known far and wide for getting the upper hand
> > > > > > underhandedly. 
> > > > > > > >> A fool will relish the sizzle of the salesman's pitch
and pay
> > > > > > heavily, and yet again,
> > > > > > > >> to be dazzled and awed...
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> FFL posters demand such integrity from Maharishi -
> > > > > > > >> and, oh, by the way, who is that on the horizon at the
> > edge of
> > > > > > town ? 
> > > > > > > >> Rushing to embrace anyone who sashays into FF that offers
> > another
> > > > > > hit of the high life,
> > > > > > > >> the rushing never ceases and the parade of lightweights
> > continues
> > > > > > evermore...
> > > > > > > >> 
> > > > > > > >> Maharishi has many flaws.  He does so many things. He
> > never gives
> > > > > > up, and has grand
> > > > > > > >> plans.  I am fond of him, and appreciate him more because
> > he has
> > > > > > feet of clay.  
> > > > > > > >> He is paying a heavy price now. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >Rick Archer questioned : And what is that? The doldrums
of the
> > > > TMO? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Mainstream20016 : 
> > > > > > > The reluctance of FF, U.S. & Canadian TM flyers to
> > participate in
> > > > > > the virtuallly free-of-
> > > > > > > charge  'Invincible America'  course during a time of crises
> > is a
> > > > > > real shock to MMY.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >   Is it? It shouldn't be. Look at all the ill will that
has been
> > > > > > generated. 'Fool me once', sayings by P.T. Barnum, and
quotes from
> > > > > > Jennifer and 'stupid Americans' come to mind.... Who knows?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The widespread useof the internet changes things a bit. Look
at the
> > > > Kaplan letter.  Much of 
> > > > > that information has likely been available (which nephews of
Gurudev
> > > > did he talk to, BTW, 
> > > > > and how did THEY know what went on?) forever, but it's
possible now
> > > > to find all of it 
> > > > > concentrated in one place. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The saving grace of the TMO has always been the old joke "a
cult is
> > > > better organized," but 
> > > > > when anyone can put together an anti-TM web site with every
single
> > > > bit of negative (true 
> > > > > or not) info available, it is not easy to counter that
without being
> > > > a lot more organized 
> > > > > than any of  us give the TMO credit for being.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The thing is, EVERYONE makes mistakes and EVERYONE lies. And
once
> > > > you play fast and 
> > > > > loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how
trivial,
> > > > it becomes very hard 
> > > > > to beat your chest and say "I'm really honest THIS TIME,
honest,"
> > > > not when there is a John 
> > > > > Knapp or Andrew Skolnick waiting to pounce on every detail and
> > > > inflate the inaccuracies as 
> > > > > best he or she can.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > The "Everybody Does it Defense" come on, that's usually among
the last
> > > > used.
> > > 
> > > So you never lie? Is your life so pefect that you could have hordes
> > of TM-Ex checking all 
> > > newspaper accounts (or friends and ex-friends since you're just a
> > single individual) and 
> > > not come up with ANY dirt on you?
> > >
> > 
> > You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one will trust me or
> > believe what I say.   I believe you said, "And once you play fast and
> > loose with the figures in a documentable way, no matter how trivial,it
> > becomes very hard to beat your chest and say "I'm really honest THIS
> > TIME, honest,"" That's why the response to the courses has been so
> > weak. The "Everybody does it defense" proves my point. Even 'mostly
> > free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. 
> 
> So you think the TMO "constantly" lied? Why?
>

I used the word consistant (or is it consistent) not constant.

JohnY
(34+ years of interaction with the TMO)
 






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