--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- jyouells2000 <jyouells@> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > (mercy snip!)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You missed the point. If I consistantly lie, no one
> > > > > > will trust me or
> > > > > > believe what I say.   I believe you said, "And once
> > > > > > you play fast and
> > > > > > loose with the figures in a documentable way, no
> > > > > > matter how trivial,it
> > > > > > becomes very hard to beat your chest and say "I'm
> > > > > > really honest THIS
> > > > > > TIME, honest,"" That's why the response to the
> > > > > > courses has been so
> > > > > > weak. The "Everybody does it defense" proves my
> > > > > > point. Even 'mostly
> > > > > > free' isn't enough when the trust is gone. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think that people are not going to this new
> > > > > course because of lack of trust, but because they have
> > > > > lives and commitments outside of the TMO. When I was
> > > > > in my 20's, not married, and going to college I could
> > > > > go off to any course I wanted too and I did. But now
> > > > > in my 50's like many others, who can just leave their
> > > > > life and go to Fairfield for a two month course?
> > > > > 
> > > >    Sure, there's that too. I guess the question is: If you 
> could go,
> > > > would you?  Is the purpose the Maharishi Effect, or satisfying a
> > > > margin call? Or both? See what I mean about trust?
> > > 
> > > How about the individual's feeling that the ME might
> > > help?  Or simply that the individual thinks the course
> > > would be enjoyable?  Who cares whether it's a margin
> > > call?  I'd go if I could.  "Trust" wouldn't enter into
> > > it at all, for me.  I'd be going for my own purposes,
> > > not the movement's.   There's not likely to be another
> > > chance to go on that big a course with such an extended
> > > program and so many other perks for so little money for
> > > a good long time, if ever.
> > 
> > As an 'unrecertified' TM teacher my perspective is different. Trust 
> > is a central issue, in a student-teacher-student relationship.
> > (You're stating the 'It's no Big Deal' arguement... well sometimes.
> > it is.)
> 
> No, I'm not stating that at all.  I'm saying that
> if you really wanted to go, for whatever reason,
> not going because of the "trust" issue seems like
> cutting off your nose to spite your face *however*
> big a deal the "trust" issue is.
>

In the past, I've attended many courses, by suppressing the 'trust
issue'. Can't do it anymore.

JohnY 





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