"They are letting everyone in the dome--except LB."  is exactly what 
I heard from my marginally on the program friends.

Sorry L.B.  A lot of people still love you anyways!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Responses interleaved.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> >
> > " presence in the Dome would be "disruptive". 
> > > > Disruptive? "
> > 
> > What is disrupted is Milieu Control.  I'm sure everyone here is 
hip to
> > that Lifton concept. http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm
> 
> ********
> 
> Nice link. I've seen lists of 20 or so cult charcteristics, but 
this one is both precise and 
> comprehensive.
> 
> ********
> > 
> > Since so many quality people have bailed on letting them work 
their
> > mojo, it seems like they are just acting out of habit.  The 
movement
> > seems to lack the ability to create a new organization that 
respects
> > mature individuals with enough spiritual and life experience to 
decide
> > things for themselves. It worked better when everyone was in their
> > 20's and less self-assured.  From the outside it is fascinating 
to see
> > them try to cast the same old spells their a broken wands.
> 
> ********
> 
> Yes, numerous people here have noted the contradiction inherent in 
treating aging, long-
> term devotees as children and neophytes. Of course, there actually 
are a small number 
> who still prefer it that way.
> 
> ********
> > 
> > I wonder if Lifton has studied the oppositional reflex that must 
exist
> > even in devoted members, who are still close to the 
organization.  It
> > seems as if the innocence is so long gone that the movement's 
words
> > would have a completely different effect by this time.
> > 
> > When I talk with people who still do the program about the 
movement,
> > there is so much eye-rolling that it makes me wonder who is more
> > turned off to the "teaching".  My guess is that although FFL is a
> > small group who are willing to speak up, the eclectic lifestyle 
and
> > practices represented here is more reflective of the majority of
> > people still involved with TM than the old-school hardline.  I 
meet
> > people who keep their feelings and practices to themselves for 
fear of
> > being cut out of courses.  I would love to know the numbers on 
both
> > these sides.
> 
> ********
> 
> The hard core are definitely a minority here, although there are 
severe methodological and 
> sociological barriers to establishing the numbers.
> 
> Even the more hip and liberated TMers often have localized "hot 
buttons" around certain 
> topics, like M's infallibility or Sthapathya Ved, etc. As a result, 
FF can be a conversational 
> mine field.
> 
> L B S
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <l_b_shriver@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, that "disruptive" thing is tough to figure out. They are
> > claiming that it's the decisive 
> > > factor in "most" of the rejections, which totalled 16 when I 
first
> > applied a couple of weeks 
> > > ago. I know 4 or 5 of them personally and still don't get it. 
For
> > example, what's so fucking 
> > > disruptive about David Hawthorne? I'm sure Tim Britton would 
leave
> > his bagpipes outside 
> > > if they asked him nicely. Were they expecting Shiva Ma to 
perform
> > homa on the foma? 
> > > Could it be that David Bousefield was going to ambush CPs with 
his
> > outlaw Deeksha?
> > > 
> > > L B S
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5"
> > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > presence in the Dome would be "disruptive". 
> > > > Disruptive?  Hah,it is about MOJO.  Oh heck L B, Bevan just 
thinks 
> > > > you got more MOJO than Bevan or any Raja worth a million.  It 
is 
> > > > pretty obvious.  Yeah, you're just a weapon of mass 
destruction in 
> > > > their book.
> > > > 
> > > > Best Regards fra FF,
> > > > 
> > > > -Doug
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Oh BTW, L B, the next time you try to apply they will take 
you to 
> > > > the library basement where normal people do not go and then 
show you 
> > > > the 'rack'.  It worked on Galileo. It worked on that wrong 
thinking 
> > > > before, you'll sing like a bird too recanting everything and 
signing 
> > > > about anything to git back in.  Appeasement, it did not work 
before 
> > > > with Hilter either.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >    --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" 
> > > > <l_b_shriver@> wrote:The resistance to my acceptance is 
pretty 
> > > > localized in the upper regions of the
> > > > administration, although the perception there is that it is 
more 
> > > > widespread.
> > > > Therefore
> > > > there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would 
> > > > be "disruptive". 
> > > > 
> > > > Doug writing:  oh heck LB, they just think you got more MOJO 
than 
> > > > Bevan or any Raja worth a million.  It is pretty obvious.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Reply below.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" 
> > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  "L B Shriver" <l_b_shriver@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Friends at FFLife,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > >  "I was officially informed on Sunday that I am not 
considered 
> > > > eligible 
> > > > > > at this time to 
> > > > > >  participate, after nearly a month of having my 
application "in 
> > > > > > process"."
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Of course not.  They would have to eat way too much crow 
to let 
> > > > you in.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > -Doug in FF
> > > > > 
> > > > > ********
> > > > > 
> > > > > The resistance to my acceptance is pretty localized in the 
upper 
> > > > regions of the 
> > > > > administration, although the perception there is that it is 
more 
> > > > widespread. Therefore 
> > > > > there is some fear that my presence in the Dome would 
> > > > be "disruptive". This is essentially 
> > > > > the Weapons of Mass Destruction argument—it is convenient, 
but 
> > > > doesn't match the facts 
> > > > > on the ground. They don't perceive that most people would 
rather 
> > > > have them let me in and 
> > > > > drop this blacklisting bullshit.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Despite that, my application actually did get into the 
region 
> > > > where acceptance was a 
> > > > > possibility. There just wasn't enough momentum behind it to 
carry 
> > > > it through this time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > From my point of view, this situation represents progress, 
and I 
> > > > believe that if you want 
> > > > > more of something in life, it's good to show appreciation.
> > > > > 
> > > > > L B S
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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