--- In [email protected], bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> <shempmcgurk@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], bob_brigante <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > >

[snip]

> 
> Well, Mr. Peanut, our beloved Prez Jimmy (my sister was a faith-
> healer) Carter, did have a hard-on against TM and did task the 
intel 
> community to get the dirt on the TMO,


Two things come to mind when I read this:

1) (and I'm repeating myself here) Where is the proof that he 
actually did this...freedom of information act?  Please show me 
something other than repeating rumour...

2) Even if Carter or some other U.S. president or even some 
underling in the U.S. government did observe and gather info on the 
TMO, what's wrong with that?  As long as the info-gathering was done 
legally, is there anything implicitly wrong with gathering info on 
an organisation that claims to be able to solve all the problems of 
mankind and can show you how to levitate?  Perhaps the argument can 
be made that a U.S. president that DIDN'T investigate such claims 
weren't doing their job properly.

There's two issues here: snooping on the TMO and whether there was 
impropriety in the snooping if indeed snooping took place.

I haven't seen evidence of either the former or the latter.







> but given the near-total 
> incompetence of American intel agencies (WMD was a "slam-dunk" in 
> Iraq said the CIA), I'm sure that nothing harmful was ever 
generated 
> by these efforts, which were undoubtedly abandoned quickly after 
> peanut head left office (Reagan and his VP Bush were both friendly 
> to the Beach Boys (Reagan lived next door to the Beach Boys in Bel 
> Air, a rich section of LA), two of who were TM teachers, which 
makes 
> it unlikely they shared Carter's antipathy).
> 
> But to claim that there is some current and persistent government 
> campaign against the TMO without any evidence (and there is plenty 
> of evidence that the govt gives millions to the TMO and MUM in 
grant 
> money, etc) is just the sign of a defective brain and personality. 
> Hagelin is clever in those parts of his brain which deal with math 
> and physics, but like an autistic savant, lacks the general 
> intelligence to keep him from doing stupid things like appearing 
in 
> a movie produced by Ramtha.
>






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