--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I wasn't there, of course, but just from your quote
> > > > > I wouldn't be sure he was referring to attuning
> > > > > yourselves to his thinking in any case, so much as
> > > > > that eventually you would all be in the same state
> > > > > of consciousness he was.
> > > > 
> > > > In my honest and long-considered opinion, 
> > > > all of Maharishi's students have *always* 
> > > > been in the same state of consciousness 
> > > > as he is -- normal old waking state. The
> > > > problems arise when one or more of the
> > > > students start to achieve what the teacher 
> > > > never has.
> > > 
> > > <snore>
> > 
> > P.S.: Notice, once again, that Barry has conflated
> > "What MMY sez..." (or in this case, "What MMY
> > may have meant...") with "What MMY sez is true."
> > 
> > It's really a very obvious distinction, but Barry
> > simply cannot seem to make it.
> > 
> > Could that be because the former gives him no
> > opportunity to recycle his old MMY-is-a-fraud-
> > and-you-stupid-TBs-believe-him mantras?
> 
> Ah. As Maharishi would say, "A perfect opportunity
> for the answer we have already prepared."  :-)

Actually the answer Barry had already prepared is
completely irrelevant to the point I was making.
I was commenting on *Barry's* propensity to distort
what TMers say in order to find opportunities to
deliver the same shallow rants against TMers/the
TMO/MMY, while exalting himself, over and over and
OVER again.  He hasn't said anything new in this
area for *years*, and the elaborate fantasy that
follows is no exception.

<snip>
> They're convinced that their view of Maharishi 
> is true and incontestable, even though many of 
> these same people have never even sat in the 
> same room with him. They're convinced that *their* 
> interpretation of the things he says is "right," 
> and that anyone who interprets them differently 
> is, well, "wrong."

Just to drive home the point, here's what I said
to Jim again:

"I wasn't there, of course, but just from your quote
I wouldn't be sure he was referring to attuning
yourselves to his thinking in any case, so much as
that eventually you would all be in the same state
of consciousness he was."

Yup, that sure does sound like I'm convinced that
my interpretation of what Jim reported MMY to have
said was "right," doesn't it?  I mean, "I wouldn't
be sure" is precisely synonymous with "I am
convinced," right?

Barry's "vacation" sure seems to have helped him
clean up the habit of nastiness he was finding so
burdensome when he left:

"I have also pondered the things that others
have said about my participation here, and have
come to the conclusion that they were correct.
I don't belong here; the nasty things that are
said get to me and all too often goad me into
participating in and perpetuating -- if not
deepening -- the nastiness. Kirk was right in
his decision to leave FFL, and for the right
reasons. He found many of the discussions here,
the way they are handled, and the mindset of
the 'handlers' too heartbreaking for him to
endure. He wisely moved on. I join him in that
decision, and in the quest for people who more
closely share my own sensibilities."






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