--- In [email protected], gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> > wrote: > > > > On Aug 27, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> On Aug 27, 2006, at 2:29 AM, authfriend wrote: > > >>> > > >>> P.S.: Notice, once again, that Barry has conflated > > >>> "What MMY sez..." (or in this case, "What MMY > > >>> may have meant...") with "What MMY sez is true." > > >> > > >>> It's really a very obvious distinction, but Barry > > >> simply cannot seem to make it. > > >> > > >> OK, Judy so then you think MMY goes around stating things > > >> he thinks are *lies*? > > > > > > I don't pretend to know whether he does, actually, > > > but that has nothing to do with the point I was > > > making. "Is true" in my formulation refers to what > > > the person quoting MMY believes, not what MMY > > > believes. It's likely that someone who believes > > > what MMY says is true also assumes that MMY believes > > > it, but that's beside the point. > > > > OK... > > > > >> The distinction may be obvious, but I guess I don't quite > > >> understand. You've said this now so many times I'd like to > > >> know what it is you're driving at. > > > > > > It's *so* obvious that I'm not quite sure how to > > > make it any clearer. > > > > > > When a person quotes MMY (or anybody else, for > > > that matter), they can (a) simply be reporting > > > what he says without offering an opinion about > > > whether they believe what he says is true, or > > > (b) indicating that they believe what they're > > > quoting him as saying is true, or even (c) > > > indicating that they believe what they're quoting > > > him as saying is *not* true. It depends on the > > > context. > > > > > > Barry and some others here automatically assume > > > that when a TMer says "MMY says..." the TMer is > > > expressing their belief that whatever they're > > > quoting MMY as saying is true. But that, of > > > course, isn't necessarily the case. > > > > > > If it isn't clear from the context (e.g., "MMY > > > says X, but that's a load of crap," or "MMY says > > > do X, so you'd better start doing X right away"), > > > at the very least you'd want to *ask* whether they > > > believe what they're quoting is true. They might > > > believe it, they might not believe it, they might > > > think it was likely, they might think it *wasn't* > > > likely, or they might have no earthly idea. And > > > in many cases what they think on that issue may > > > not even be relevant to the point they're making. > > > > Judy, you are making distinctions with no visible difference at > all. > > You're implying that people *may* go around routinely saying things > > they may or may not believe, so that invalidates what Barry (and > > others) claim MMY said. That's insane. *Nobody* in the world goes > > around appending "and what I just said I firmly believe to be > true," to > > every statement, or to any of them for that matter. Most people say > > what they believe to be true at that point in time-- unless they > are > > purposely trying to deceive--and leave it at that. It's what most > > communication is based on. What you are putting forth basically > means > > the end of any and all honest communication. > > > > If this is what you really believe, how to you ever get a > conversation > > going with anyone? > > > > Sal > > Careful, Sal, she'll try to banish you! 8-)8-] 8-} -- you'll be sent > to some far off place to "go and teach". > > Judy doesn't have conversations; from what I can gather from her > odd way of stating what she calls obvious, she simply transforms > her version of a statement into a convoluted notion of events or > statements she feels comfortable arguing with or putting down
No, actually Sal got what I said completely, pathetically, miserably, embarrassingly wrong, and I was attempting to restate my very simple, obvious, and utterly uncontroversial point so she'd understand it. Clearly you missed the point as well. <snip> > days she's simply getting weird. I think the last thing I saw of > hers was something to the effect that she didn't defend Mahesh (or > wasn't defending Mahesh), she was simply pointing out the > feasibility of his (and I forget the rest). It seemed like she was > saying she didn't defend him, she just defended him. I don't know > if anyone made any mention of it because it was simply too off the > wall to bother with. Right, you can't even reconstruct what I said, but you know it was off the wall. > I'm sure she'll dig it out, re-post it, defend it and point out my > shortcomings as if it mattered; but to her, I suppose it does. In this case I suspect you "forgot the rest" so as not to give me any clue as to what post you were referring to; that way you could be sure I wouldn't be able to dig it out and demonstrate how you had failed to understand it. > Maybe (as in MAYBE) Mahesh managed to influence the way people > thought; the TMO would seem to be an apt example. But you, like so > many others, have seen through Judy's very sad and pityable state > of need. I guess she has followers, Lawson seems to have his nose > permanently affixed in one of her orifices, but I can't see she has > an actual following. > > Keep up the good work Sal. We always need to be reminded that fancy > words are not necessarily meaningful words and are not always likly > to be coming from a good and well intentioned source. Say, gerbal, why don't you affix your nose a little more permanently in one of Sal's orifices? She loves that stuff. You'll have to share with Curtis, but I'm sure said orifice is big enough to accommodate both your noses at once. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
