--- hugheshugo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" > > > <premanandpaul@> wrote: > > > > > > Guru Dev speaks about who and who cannot become > gurus, and the > > > following are translated extracts of satsang > number 74 of 108, > > > included in a collection of his teachings > entitled 'Shri > > > Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' > > > > > > 'There is no mention of women being gurus > anywhere in the > > > shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, > Chudala, Sulabha etc. > > > were women who had become yogis and possessed of > self-knowledge. > > > But it is not met with anywhere that they made > their own > > > disciples.' > > > > > > '...But not everyone can be a guru. Actually, > only brahmans to > > > be in the position of guru. In addition to > brahmans, kshatriyas, > > > vaishya, shudras can become shishya (disciples), > but not guru. > > > Women also have no right to be made a guru.' > > > > > > 'Nowadays kaayastha, vaishya, teli (oilman), and > also kalavar > > > (seller of spirits) are taking to wearing the > colours of the > > > sadhu (holy man) and are eagerly wishing to make > shishya > > > (disciples) of their own. Actually both this > kind of guru and > > > shishya (disciple) are to get their downfall. > Actually this > > > speech we are saying coincides with the > shastras, it is not > > > something of my own that I have made up.' > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev > > > Paul > > > > You agree with Guru Dev that women and those of > > lower caste should not be gurus, Paul? > > > > Buddha said that women were incapable of > enlightenment and that > women in monasteries would always be subservient to > men. > > Culturally ingrained sexism? or maybe they know > something we don't? Did Buddha really say that? Please find the source of that piece of information. I'd say it was purely sexist because there have been and are enlightened women. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
