--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <groups@> wrote:
> >
> > on 9/4/06 2:26 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > >
> > >> > As Alex pointed out, though, the quote doesn't appear
> > >> > to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not the kind
> > >> > of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring to. I'm
> > >> > sure Paul knows this, so it remains unclear to me,
> > >> > at any rate, why he posted the quote.
> > >
> > I think it¹s one of the most significant things ever posted to
> > FFL. The issue of other gurus and loyalty to MMY has been a hot
> > one in FF for decades. A quote from GD condoning switching gurus
> > is a real bombshell.
>
> However, as Alex noted (see above), the quote doesn't
> appear to be relevant to this group, since MMY is not
> the kind of personal guru that Guru Dev was referring
> to.
What kind of guru was SBS referring to? Do you know this definitively?
> In any case, I don't remember having heard anything
> about MMY having said it wasn't OK to switch teachers
> (to use a more general term).
But he was always very big on, while doing TM, "don't read or see
other teachers." As early as 1968 he was strong on this. Probably much
earlier.
> If MMY has said you should
> stick with your first teacher for the rest of your life,
> I'd be interested to know about it.
It was strongly implied,IMO. MMY was not explicit on some subject.More
the "knowing wink" approach.
> I do recall something to the effect that it wasn't good
> to have one foot in each of two boats, which I understood
> to mean you shouldn't have two teachers at once. But
> Guru Dev doesn't say anything, at least in this quote,
> about its being OK to have two teachers at once.
Yes, a key distintion. One not addressed in Rick's adjacent post,
"...blockbuster". If one has a new teacher, all good and fine. But why
then are people asking, seeking, whining in some cases, to get back
into the ashram/domes or their former teacher?
> So on both these grounds, I don't see the relevance
> of the quote to this group.
Big non-sequitar in my opinion. For me it does have big relevance,
though not perhaps the type Rick sees.
> ("Loyalty" per se may be a completely different issue,
> depending.)
>
> Many TB¹s here might have taken his ³women
> > can¹t be gurus² admonition as gospeltruth, and might have used it
> > to belittle the lady saints who come through.
>
> "Many TBs here"?? Just how many people on this group
> do you imagine are such fanatics that they'd do such
> a thing?
So what statments of SBS's do we take as truth and which do we take as
false? (The convenient ones are true?)
> So they can¹ have
> > it both ways. Either he¹s right about everything, [or not].
Yes. Quite a quandry for many of us. Either he¹s right about
everything, or not right about anything?
Or another alternative. He was right about somethings, and not about
others. Like what many feel about MMY. What are the implications [of
SBS being right only some of the time]? [if that is the case]
Many had an infallibility aura they drew around MMY in the 60's and
70's. By the 90's infallability was "fading".
Have we / many transfered the cloak of infallibility from MMY to SBS?
aka "MMY may not have gotten it all right, and has flaws, but SBS is
perfect in every way"
If SBS absolutely supports shastra, and if Laws of Manu are shastra,
then it appears we absolutly support and live by Laws of Manu or we
regard SBS as not perfect in every way.
People can and have argued that SBS was of conservative age, things
are different now. Oh My. Shastra, if its anything, it is eternal. Its
hard for anyone to claim ancient and eternal shastra was totally
relevant and true in 1940, but ancient and eternal shastra is not true
and valid now.
> (Personally, I don't see why you can't be devoted
> to a teacher and still not think he or she is right
> about everything.)
Yes. As some/many have evolved to/done with MMY.
So can we,do we, do the same with SBS? Or is he infallible. If not
infallible, which things are true? Which shastras are true and
shouldbe followed, and which are not?
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