--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that by 
> killing enough of the third world people, we can force the rest into 
> submission and servitude. It isn't working, nor will it. 
> 


Is this really how the majority of people and the politicians in the
USA think?
Certainly not in Europe and by no means in Finland. Here I feel we are
too understanding of everything people in the Muslim world do and we
don't dare to criticize their values and moral thinking. They are seen
as just the poor victims.

I don't think they are in the first place victims. I think they are a
culture and religion in deep crisis.  Something developmental arrest
there must be, when big parts of people live in deep poverty in spite
of the huge oil riches, and their attitudes and values are on the
level people in Europe had in medieval times.
I think in 2001 the gross national product of the whole Arab world,
when the oil incomes where reduced, was as big as  that of Finland's.
Finland has 5 million inhabitants. I find that very telltale. 

In my opinion the pope addresses this issue in the speech relatively
tactfully by a quotation of the issue that he sees to be at the core
of the problem. 
Interesting is also his main theme of the speech that Chistianity has
helped in the development of reasonable communication, and moral
reasoning among the people in Europe.
He also says that he appreciates highly science and its achievements.
He is only critical about the narrow use of reason and intellect in
scientific thinking.
Which I think almost all spiritually inclined people can agree about.

His courageous quotation was good also in that sense that it made me
and many others read his speech, that I found to be fine. I have never
before read a speech by a pope, and got very positively surprised. I'm
not a Christian.

Irmeli






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