--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sep 17, 2006, at 2:31 AM, Irmeli Mattsson wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > > > >> The current conflict continues as long as the West thinks that by > >> killing enough of the third world people, we can force the rest into > >> submission and servitude. It isn't working, nor will it. > >> > > > > > > Is this really how the majority of people and the politicians in the > > USA think? > > OF course not. What do you think? A few lunatics on the right do, and > unfortunately they've cheated and bullied their way into power. It > won't last, it never does. > > > Certainly not in Europe and by no means in Finland. Here I feel we are > > too understanding of everything people in the Muslim world do and we > > don't dare to criticize their values and moral thinking. They are seen > > as just the poor victims. > > Not a particularly healthy attitude. > > > > I don't think they are in the first place victims. I think they are a > > culture and religion in deep crisis. Something developmental arrest > > there must be, when big parts of people live in deep poverty in spite > > of the huge oil riches, and their attitudes and values are on the > > level people in Europe had in medieval times. > > Yes, it's pathetic and a huge waste of resources, both material and > intellectual. > > > I think in 2001 the gross national product of the whole Arab world, > > when the oil incomes where reduced, was as big as that of Finland's. > > Finland has 5 million inhabitants. I find that very telltale. > > > > In my opinion the pope addresses this issue in the speech relatively > > tactfully by a quotation of the issue that he sees to be at the core > > of the problem. > > Interesting is also his main theme of the speech that Chistianity has > > helped in the development of reasonable communication, and moral > > reasoning among the people in Europe. > > He also says that he appreciates highly science and its achievements. > > He is only critical about the narrow use of reason and intellect in > > scientific thinking. > > Which I think almost all spiritually inclined people can agree about. > > > > His courageous quotation was good also in that sense that it made me > > and many others read his speech, that I found to be fine. I have never > > before read a speech by a pope, and got very positively surprised. I'm > > not a Christian. > > Now I'm interested in reading it too. Know where I can find it?
Here:http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/speeches/2006/september/documents/hf_ben-xvi_spe_20060912_university-regensburg_en.html > > Sal > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
