--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > Wellll... Short answer: there's no consistent physiological changes
> found in hypnotic 
> > subjects while there is with TMers.
> 
> I wonder if the hypnotic subjects you are talking about practiced it
> as consistently as the TM group.  What type of hypnotic technique was
> used?  As you may know, there are as many hypnotic techniques as there
> are types of mediation.  Calling one subject a hypnotic subject is
> like using a generic meditator in place of a TM meditator.  Perhaps
> the TM form of self-hypnosis does show consistent physiological
> changes.  That doesn't prove that it is a different state, it may be a
> subset of the broader trance phenomenon.
> 
> MMY calls the TM induced states "higher states".  I think this is
> marketing hype with no evidence of "higher" anything in its practicers
> with the exception of some who seem to have induced inflated
> self-regard.  
> 
> I am glad there are people researching this stuff.  There is a lot of
> room for different points of view.  I suspect that I chose my own view
> after a more rigorous test of  the uniqueness of TM states in the
> movement than you have with hypnosis.  If you were trained in
> Ericksonian hypnosis you might change your mind.  You have the choice
> to study it, or not.
> 
> 

Short answer: where's the research published by scientists that shows 
consistent 
physiological correlates to hypnosis? 





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