On Oct 13, 2006, at 1:12 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:

--- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

wrote:



On Oct 13, 2006, at 1:17 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:



Judy, has it ever occurred to you that adults don't tell other

adults

what they'd "like you to do"?  That it's usually up to the 

person to

decide for him/herself what is best?  I guess not.



Some people are only comfortable in a situation in

which they are constantly told what to do and what

not to do. After thirty years or so of this, they

aspire not to enlightenment but to telling other

people what to do and what not to do.  :-)



Exactly.  Condescension becomes a way of life, and if you can't 

beat em, join em, I guess.


It's very doubtful Judy would put up with the manipulation in 

the TMO were it to really occur with anyone else, with any 

frequency at all.  She'd simply find a new doctor, dentist or 

whatever.  But it's impossible to admit she's been taken in all 

these years.



Bingo.


I really do think that that's the issue. She (and

many others) have a fairly fixed sense of self.

When it's challenged, and someone sees them differ-

ently, they feel the need to "defend" that imaginary

fixed self. And one of the things that a fixed self

*hates* to do is admit that it may have been stupid.  :-)


Those of us who are a little more fluid, and who are

used to laughing at ourselves (our selves, however

temporary and imaginary they may be) are often more

able to kick back and say, "Yup...I sure got taken

to the cleaners on that one."  


There's also a certain attachment to sentimentality from previous movement involvement--kinda like a spiritual version of the HS football player who still clings to those sentimental memories of the Big Game. But it just *is* a Big Game, the Big Dream. This seems especially true if this was your *only* major spiritual involvement or your "first love". But it's a pattern present in many of the posters here: attachment to sentimentality. In fact there only seems to be true objectivity if you have died to your sentimental attachments.

And please: don't kill the sentimentally unattached messengers. We're just trying to expand your consciousness. Our kool-aid is safe to drink. Honest.



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