Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A theory of Karma, TMOers, and the TMO's "Persona"

Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:28:07 -0700

WHen I learned to meditiate I was 17. 1974.   I learned to meditate in June of 74 and was asked to leave my parents home in October.  My initiator and the many teachers in New York city became my safe haven if it was not for them I do not know where I would have ended up.  Naybe you have heard these names Robert Kory, Bill Duke, Camile Marcus, Jay Marcus, Larry Gelber, Emily Quintana, Ana Zavala, Rose Phillips David Carter Brenda Carter these are the ones I easily remember.  Making sure that I meditated twice a day, making sure that I ate.   Making MIU so important that I did not mis a day of school. 
 
Seeing Maharishi in Madison Square garden meditating with him, seeing Jerry Jarvitz meditating with him.  All of these things helped me.   When I arrived at MIU I knew I wanted to be there but I did not know what to expect.  I thought I would be in silence the whole four years.   I was into yoga Iyengar yoga. I was into learning vedica Astrology and I would wake the pod up every morning to the sounds of my chanting OM.
 
I was a bit of a shock to MIU. Because I was the same age as everyone but different. SO they started working on me.   First of all I was suprised to see other African American Students.  Nujemi she was a big problem for trying to be in silence.   I was working in the factory where my father had worked for 8 years so I had enough to buy my one way ticket.   Mistake I bought it to Demoine.   As luck would have it I spotted a woman on the plane who looked like she was going to MIU.  She rented a car and she drove me to MIU. She was going to the wedding of Keith and Samantha. 
 
Soon I was working for Keith.   In my mind I imagined that I was 108.   Only I was not rich and did not get to be physically as close to MMY.   However I got to know all of the big wigs of the movement early.   Of course there were my favorites Like Charlie, Tom headly, Jenkins he taught me about being a diplomat.   Mony Guild.  When these guys took you under their wing it was big stuff. 
 
Then I met Morris Schindler. THUMBS HALF WAY DOWN.   Yet I used my time working in SOuth Falsberg New York to advance my personal evolution.   I imagined that in order to be put in charge of a place like south falsberg one would have to be enlightened.  So I never had sex with one of the women there.   There were women living there on staff people coming on ATR and then the governors.   OH MAN!  So much god walking around and I never jumped in the water one time. 
 
I was afraid.   Anyway I met John Konhaus and Sarah.  Whenever I was being abused I would pray while I did whatever I had to do.  So once I got a special job.  John had me make him fresh apple juice every day.  I was the only one who could handle his food.   For me that was such an honor.   I prayed over his food everyday.  Also I served their table the top execs just as if I was serving the big M.   I fell in love with Daksha, I got passed Rendy's shell.   I got to know the decision makers.
 
Wehn Larry Domash was President of MIU he was president in name only.  The real President was Lenny Goldberg.   He ran the school day to day..  Larry came one in a while. Steve Druker was a nut case.   I liked Steve but he was nuts he once said that they could tell students anything and they would do it as long as it was told in the right way.  That was not a good thing for me to hear. ALmost started on of the first real riots at MIU. 
 
Susan Humphrey was really a very beautiful woman.  I for a long time only saw her from the outside.   I never saw the vulnerable part of her.  Until my adopted grandmother came to School.  Lillian Rosen.  Lillian was tough.  When I saw her smack Susan right in the face POW!  I saw a whole new Susan Humphrey I saw Susan human.   She became more like a sister than a bigshot.  
 
Then the governors took over, the guard began to change. The whole movement became a lot less personal.  But before that happened there was the sexual revolution.  Maharishi told the govs to get married and WOW! Sex something that was once taboo was now under bleachers, on the grass in cars you name it. 
 
I guess what I am trying to say is I AM VERY GRATEFUL TO THE MOVEMENT TO MAHARISHI to the whole system because it raised me.   Of course there was a lot to get through race wise but I somehow managed to be above it.  As I said Dennis gave me a piece of foam.   I have been meditating 32 years.  As far as I am concerned the technique works.   There was someone who decided to expose the movement and Maharishi as fruads.  Oneday I got the guy on the phone.   I am not a guy who is pro new movement. But I appreciate the time I had.  So for someone to put sacred info on the internet.  I told him I thought he had a lot of nerve(used another word)  I told him that I thought he was foolish.  I said to incur the anger of Maharishi in that way was absolutely thoughtless.  WHy not because of hurting Maharishi but the effect it would have on his life.
 
He went on to say that his life had been the pits since he started this site.   DAH!  I asked if he thought that was accidental or perhaps even coincidence. I might make jokes about all kinds of things but never would I put mantras on the internet.
 
I believe these are the kind of people who took over the movement.   So I have not been involved with the new movement at all.   As I said I believe there was a lot of constipated people invovled.   But as I head toward the big 50 I still hold Maharishi as a great inspiration. 
 
In 2002 I lived in Helsinki.  When it was time to come back to Brasil, I did not know if I would be able to do so because I did not have money.  Yet I had a life I had started in Brasil.   I went to New Jersey.  I stayed two weeks.  It was nice to see my family, I loved New York as always, but after about two weeks I decided it was time to return to Brasil.  When I arrived in Rio I had 5.00 in my pocket.   People thought I was nuts.  I thought of Maharishi.  Now is 2006......Jai Guru Dev I am very grateful to have been able to participate in something that would change the face of the world.  By the way the name of Madonna's Guru Mother Mera.

----- Original Message ----
From: curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 9:02:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A theory of Karma, TMOers, and the TMO's "Persona"

Nice details on the early days. I was 16 in 1974 when I got involved,
just a kid. My teacher came from the days you remember. The tone
changed through the years as you describe. But I don't view myself as
a victim of the movement. Pointing out its flaws or dirty tricks
doesn't make me a victim. How I respond would. I chose all my
movement participation and had lots of fun. It was a mixed bag. But
when I was in it, I was all in baby! I enjoyed the intensity.

I think that MMY's ideas about of collective consciousness is
different from karma theory, but I could be wrong. I haven't thought
about this stuff in detail in so many years. Maybe it is just a
version of it. I understand your point better from your explanation
of how you view it. I think of karma theory as a devise to maintain
the caste system in India. It seems like a convenient way to keep
people from acting up in lower castes and to blame people for their
own birth defects. I find it far from a comforting explanation of
events. I choose to believe in randomness over intended malice from
the universe. I guess we all have to face this very fundamental
philosophical question "why does shit happen?" for ourselves.

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "curtisdeltablues"
> <curtisdeltablues@ > wrote:
> >
> > I enjoyed the trip down memory lane of movement history. It seems to
> > me that blaming the people under the heads of the movement in the
> > organization for how it runs, is buying into one of MMY's more
> > cockamamie ideas about "deservability" .
>
> Well, deservability is another name for that "cockamamie" thing called
> karma. Hardly a MMY concept or creation. Like I said at the beginning,
> the piece is premised on karma. If you reject the mechanics of karma
> as being real, you reject the model I suggest (but am not necessarily
> sold on.)
>
> > Another explanation might be
> > that MMY is just not a very pleasant guy and runs the group the way he
> > wants it.
>
> Sure, there are lots of possible explanations. And they are not
> necessarily mutually exclusive.
>
> And my experience is that from 67-72, MYY was a very nice guy. Very
> accessable, and giving. 73-77, pretty nice guy with some quirks. So
> that fits the karma model. He reflected, and gave out what people
> needed. As the TMO population changed, so did his reaction and
> management of it. The sign of any good manager. (and what they needed
> was also their karma.)
>
>
> >He attracts the kind of person who enjoys having the power
> > that goes along with phrases that begin with "MMY wants..."
>
> That was pretty much post my era. Apparently, that power thing
> attracted you. :)
>
> Again, your point, IMO, supports the model I suggest. A different type
> of TMer emerged in 77+ and they had lesser and lower motives, "spirit"
> and karma than those preceeding them. And they got to dwell on and
> exercise their pettiness, and got what comes with that -- a petty and
> rigid organization.
>
> > This
> > group displays the same kind of unkind and often idiotic behavior that
> > is common among power brokers in any group, like Congressmen or
> > Senators. So mix in some well intentioned people who are controlled
> > by the more ruthless in power,
>
> Again, the ruthless and pettiness you describe were dominant post my
> leaving the TMO full time in 77. Some trends of it 75-77, but not
> dominant in my view, on my watch. And the new breed, the new kids on
> the block, emerging in 75-77+ created a new group population, group
> consciousness perhaps, that as a whole created and deserved, and even
> needed, a petty ruthless, uncompassionate organization. (per the
> model, again I am not necessarily buying totally into this rather
> cartoon version of karma)
>
> The TMO I know in the mid-late 60s, early 70s was not IMO, petty or
> ruthless. Rather it was highly supporting, compassionate (you paid
> what you could), energetic, fast-growth, exciting, open, and fun.
> Nothing scary or dark.
>
> > All without blaming the followers, who must cower to the
> > powers that be or be denied getting on courses.
>
> Again, nothing like that in my era. At humboldt 70, all the teacher,
> and the organization, were highly amicable, supportive, and cool,
> about my desire to become a teacher. I was in Europe (France) in fall
> of 1970, and decided I wanted to change my plans attend the European
> TTC in Malloca (at that time, the americcan TTCs were still scheduled
> for US) and people like Eileen Forestal in UK, and Mde Karvane in
> Geneva were SO very supportive and accomodating to make it happen for
> me. Absolutely no cowering of any form on my part. It was like having
> concierge service at a 5 star hotel. I stayed on for two extensions
> for a full six months. Everyone very encouraging and supportive. ATRs
> were always a breeze for me to attend. My six-month in course was
> highly supported by the movemrnt. Jerry madr a special effort to
> approve some project work credit for me enabling me to attend.
>
> If in your era, cowering and fear-based actions were necessary to
> attend courses, well -- what can I say. :) Sorry that was your era /
> experience.
>
> Either you can see yourself as a victim, and buy into the culture of
> victimization, or take responsibility for things that happen to you.
>
>
>
> >Other than some
> > magical effect of a group dreamed up by MMY, there is no way for a top
> > down authoritarian organization to be influenced by members.
>
> And the TMO was far flatter, far more flexible, fluid and supportive
> from 1967-75 or so than you seem to have experienced. Sorry you didn't
> get to experience the golden years. Poor you. You clearly are a
> victim. You ought to sue! :)
>
> Clearly it had nothing to do with you. You were undoubtedly pure, and
> of exceptionally sound judgement, going to work full time for an
> organization you saw as, and characterize as, petty and ruthless. What
> exactly did you expect?!
>



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