Well it seems to my unenlightened brain that if a lesson is being taught then the experience of the causality would be necessary. Babies who are born in suffering before they die don't have any ability to learn anything. It is not a simple "as you sow so shall you reap" philosophy, it requires a whole set of beliefs about what happens after we die. The causality we experience in life is not just simply being extended in the karmic theory. It is part of a massive presumption about how the universe operates.
But as I said, I understand that people can use such beliefs for good in their live. I am not against other people believing it. I just don't see any reason for me to believe it myself. I believe that we live in a random universe with no inherent justice, and it is up to man to do his best to impose justice when he can. In the natural world animals are eating each other alive, so I don't put any faith in any natural law being capable of the level of kindness and justice a good man can achieve in the world. Suffering in nature is at too high a pitch for me to have confidence that any mechanism is fairly metting out justice in this world. Karma is not something that is obvious to me from my observations of the environment. It is a belief is dependant on lots of other beliefs that requires some effort and study to acquire. --- In [email protected], bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't see how making a person be born with HIV would be a moral > > payback for anything in the context of any morality I can relate > to. > > I guess that is why some say karma is unfathomable. > > *************** > > Nobody else, God or anybody, makes anybody be born with bad karma (or > good karma, for that matter) -- the karma one generates is strictly > one's own responsibility. The whole principle is simple, and > Westerners have been exposed to it from an early age: "whatsoever a > man sows, that shall he also reap." This is about as simple a > principle as there is: if you generate waves of happiness in your > surroundings, you will get happy karma back; if you generate waves of > unhappiness, you'll get unhappy things happening to you. Don't want > to believe it? Fine, but it's a very obvious feature of the > environment which has been commented upon by many religious teachers. > Sure, being born with AIDS seems very rough, but haven't you watched > films depicting the many brutal things people do to other people? If > there is any justice in the universe, then those wrongdoers get to > suffer just like they made others suffer. Not only is it a matter of > justice, bad karma is more important as a stick to encourage people > to stop wrongdoing and get on the path of evolution -- nobody will > ever cease to be, so it's important that they learn how to live > without making others suffer. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
