--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well it seems to my unenlightened brain that if a lesson is being > taught then the experience of the causality would be necessary. > Babies who are born in suffering before they die don't have any > ability to learn anything.
Not that they're conscious of at the time. > It is not a simple "as you sow so shall you > reap" philosophy, it requires a whole set of beliefs about what > happens after we die. True, or simply trust that it's all working out as it should. > The causality we experience in life is not just > simply being extended in the karmic theory. It is part of > a massive presumption about how the universe operates. > > But as I said, I understand that people can use such beliefs for > good in their live. I am not against other people believing it. > I just don't see any reason for me to believe it myself. > > I believe that we live in a random universe with no inherent > justice, and it is up to man to do his best to impose justice > when he can. But the same would be the case--up to human beans to impose justice when they can--if the universe was ruled by karma. Some people are more comfortable with the idea of a random universe; others are more comfortable with the idea that there is an all-encompassing order to it--whatever gets you through the night. The thing is, belief in karma doesn't have any practical implications in terms of how one behaves, because it would be far too complex for the human brain to figure out. You do the best you can within your limitations. In the natural world animals are eating each other > alive, so I don't put any faith in any natural law being capable > of the level of kindness and justice a good man can achieve in > the world. Why would natural law not apply to human beings as well as animals? > Suffering in nature > is at too high a pitch for me to have confidence that any > mechanism is fairly metting out justice in this world. You're assuming, though, that the human idea of justice conforms to the universe's idea of justice. That may not be the case. Karma may work differently, for instance, for creatures that have free will versus for those that don't. Karma > is not something that is obvious to me from my observations > of the environment. It is a belief is dependant on lots of > other beliefs that requires some effort and study to acquire. Sure. And those who find the idea of a random universe disturbing may be motivated to explore other possibilities to find one that enables them to live their lives with greater equanimity. That's really the only practical effect of such a belief--or of the belief in randomness, for that matter. We can't know for sure either way (perhaps unless we're enlightened). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
