--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree that other cultures can be totally classist, and the poor of > every society have it very tough. I can also see the value of passing > down a family business or even profession. But the cruel rigidity of > the caste system for the lower castes was fought by Buddha and Gandhi > because they opposed its effects that they witnessed. There may be an > abstract religious honor credited to the lower castes but there is no > wealth. > > My understanding is that Guru Dev's camp was anti Gandhi for this > reason. As we know it was a Hindu fundamentalist who knocked Gandhi > off. ( I am not making an off-the-wall accusation here!) MMY believes > that the present caste system is improperly applied today because of > ignorance and his A of E will make it all work wonderfully. The > system seems fine to doctors sons, but not so fine for a leather > tanner shudra who has an interest in becoming something else. I'll > bet the tech boom is blowing some of these class barriers down over > there just as it did here. > So you're saying that I can't occassionally sign my messages as a 'former vedic surf' anymore, right? :)
JohnY > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning no_reply@ wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > Well I can cop to my own waking state ignorance, but I never heard MMY > > > deny the details or the caste system contained in the Vedic texts in > > > this way. Sanatana Dharma is in full support for the caste system and > > > Guru Dev was its champion. So even though your point may be valid in > > > MMY's system for the 4 main Vedas, the texts that came later make > > > specific claims about the world. One of those details are the > > > structure of the caste system which is supported by MMY every time he > > > talks about it. > > > > What I heard MMY say of caste has, in my words -- not his, a genetic > > basis -- and a micro-cultural aka family environment basis. If your > > father is a doctor, and your mother is a doctor (I know several people > > like that), then the probability is you will have an easier time being > > a doctor than something else. You have a genetic disposition towards > > it. And by the time you are 18, you already know huge amount about > > being a doctor -- just from dinner convos, walks on vacations talking > > with parents, seeing them with their peers, etc. > > > > That view makes sense to me. Not that it should be iron clad. Nor iron > > chains to keep one "down". > > > > And there is honor, fame and wealth in all four "castes". A "sudra" > > might be a skilled craftsman, or artist or baseball player. > > > > And the four main castes are seen in most cultures-- by different names. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
