"sordid details"

I would join any forum with this name.  Great name for a band too!


--- In [email protected], "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> I would second Doug's remarks and suggestion.  There's no need to
> censor anyone, but a bit more focus in the subject description would
> allow everyone who now participates to continue to do so, but the bulk
> of the subject matter discussed might be welcomed by more people, who
> might then rejoin the discussion and make FFL even better.
> 
> It was very valuable for me to be able to ask the group if there were
> people willing to offer me input on a case I'm handling, but to do it
> off the forum.  That way no one else besides those who self-selected
> had to be subjected to the sordid details.
> 
> Thanks, Doug.
> 
> **
> 
> --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5"
> <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "wayback71" <wayback71@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...based on the first 1.5 days of November:
> > > > 
> > > > Total posts: 323
> > > > 
> > > > sparaig: 71
> > > > shempmcgurk: 44
> > > > authfriend: 42
> > > > 
> > > > Almost *half* the total output of the forum...
> > > > 
> > > > Whole *pages* in Message View that consist 
> > > > of nothing but sparaig, shemp, and Judy
> > > > arguing with each other, and with MDixon...
> > > > 
> > > > It's going to be a long, long winter...
> > > >
> > > Frankly, I think they should set up their own chat room.  
> > 
> > >They all have some good things 
> > > to offer, but no one seems able to get them to turn down the 
> > quantity, despite repeated 
> > > requests. >
> > 
> > ...Yes, FFL posts have become mostly personal reply stuff that ought 
> > to go off to the side between them, as the FFL guidelines do 
> > suggest.  These folks seem to now hold the platform and the thrill 
> > of performing on it.  Unrestrained or having other purposes 
> > evidently.  
> > 
> > I run in to a lot of people here in FF who simply no longer 
> > regularly read FFL or participate in FFL much any more because of 
> > this overly-large volume of off-topic stuff burying the list.  For 
> > instance, like with this recent John Kerry 'was right' thread, it 
> > had no point of referal to FF or FFL or the TM.org meditating 
> > community and from the first post was simply a personal exchange 
> > that went on and on.  Yes, they have succeeded in off-ing the list 
> > to their own mostly.  Stuff like that could be read on the CNN or 
> > FOX news lists.
> > 
> > Rick, it could help a lot by tightening the language of the FFL 
> > subject description, taking it back from 'anything goes'.  That 
> > would give the list back its community purpose that could guide the 
> > FFL community of it.  Right now it is without guide here as these 
> > people prove that anything subject goes and they dump it here in FFL.
> > 
> > This FFL list originally was started to be an open forum discussion 
> > that could be used about FF and FFL, an open forum by contrast with 
> > the TM-org where their hold of 'open' discussion is tightly produced 
> > and controlled in their ways to their end.  
> > 
> > In the community of the TM-org, FFL was unique in that the 
> > discussion could be open to discernment.    Because of this internet 
> > form of e-groups which came along, FFL was a fresh breeze for the 
> > meditating community here as it came along and FFL has been a breeze 
> > which has been very helpful to a lot of people as they have looked 
> > at the TM-org and their participation with it.
> > 
> > In FF, FFL has been incredibly useful because the discernment of 
> > things TM-org can be instant and public here.
> > 
> > Rick, it would be extremely helpful now to the list here as FFL to 
> > drop the 'anything goes' language from the list description and the 
> > guidelines. Just keep the rest of the list description as is if you 
> > like.  Droppping the 'anything goes' language then people can self-
> > edit and self-govern the list as there is something to write to, and 
> > not just 'anything goes'.  The bylaw as you have it written is 
> > untenable and is just running the list down.
> > 
> > With Kind Regards from FF,
> > 
> > -Doug
> >
>





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