--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > I suspect that all techniques of 
> > > self realization are placebos.
> >
> > If time and space don't exist or don't exist as the agency of 
the 
> > creation, then yes- all placebos. However, immersing ourselves 
in 
> > time 
> > and space as tools to explore self realization, then techniques 
are 
> > just that, shortcuts. If I can wait three weeks to drive a nail 
> > through a pine two by four with my hand, no technique needed, 
> > otherwise I'll use a hammer.
> 
> And couldn't this possibly be because most of the
> people around you, for most of your life, have done
> their best to convince you that a hammer is the
> "right" tool for pounding a nail? I've met nutcase
> martial artists who can pound a nail into a two-inch
> board with their hands. It's not the most practical
> of skills :-), but for them it takes no less time 
> than it would take you to do the same thing with
> your "society-approved" hammer.
>
Not at all- I'm saying that techniques save time or decrease space. 
In this case, I can learn to use a hammer more easily and in a 
shorter time than learning how to drive a nail with my hand.

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