On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:49 PM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Nov 28, 2006, at 6:39 PM, sparaig wrote: >> >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:29 PM, sparaig wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:50 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dude, you've never even *done* the flying technique! lol! >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not only have I, I was a successful hopper. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> What you >>>>>>> have written has nothing specific to do with the flying sutra. >>>>>>> Pranayama!? That is just absurd- I did pranayama before >>>>>>> meditation >>>>>>> for years prior to meditation and never a hint of hopping or >>>>>>> movement. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pranayama in it's deeper sense is a yama or pause--a gap--in the >>>>>> breath, that often coincides with Pure Consciousness. If this gap >>>>>> does not occur, even briefly in a flash, the prana can never >>>>>> have the >>>>>> door it needs to "hop". >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So it is "prana" that is hopping, rather than the body? The prana >>>>> is what is important rather >>>>> than pure consciousness? YFers hopping about stabilizes prana but >>>>> doesn't stabilize pure >>>>> consciousness? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No it is not prana "hopping", it's the side effect of prana >>>> entering >>>> the muladhara-chakra and what happens when it "touches" apana-vayu. >>>> That's all. >>>> >>> >>> Er, yeah. So what is the physiological correlate of all of this? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> That's not to say that prana is not important... >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Where's the research on breath suspension using Buddhist >>>>> meditation >>>>> techniques, BTW? >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Was I supposed to be looking for some? >>>> >>>> A teacher of mine did some casual experiment though and I was >>>> impressed. In the longer "pauses" it's not so much a "pause" as >>>> it is >>>> a very, very long in and out-breath. I'm not sure if there is any >>>> recent research on the real long suspensions--hour and days. But >>>> I'm >>>> really less and less "wowed" by objective research. I'd much rather >>>> sit next to someone who does do such a long suspension and then >>>> talk >>>> to them. >>>> >>> >>> As I have pointed out many times, there ARE TM studies on this >>> phenomenon. It isn't a >>> long in and out breath thing though, it is a sustained out-breath >>> where the diaphram >>> apparently relaxes to its normal position. Respiration continues, >>> however, apparently due >>> to air circulating because the heart is compressing/decompressing >>> the sides of the lungs. >>> >> >> That's because it's so brief. This phenomenon is well known to yogis, >> but is just an good sign you're getting ready for the fourth. >> >> It should absolutely not be confused with the fourth pranayama--even >> if someone tries to sell it to you as such (which it appears someone >> has!). >> >> These minor apneas should be of little interest to serious >> scientists. >> >> > > So where is the research on the fourth done by "serious scientists?' >
Some old research and more modern research on tummo (inner heat) meditation which mastery of requires inner perfection of the fourth pranayama. This is why modern research on these yogis shows they are able to lower their metabolic rates many times more than simple meditation (e.g. TM). As we'd discussed this before, I guess I assumed you remembered--or more likely, conveniently forgot.
