--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:09 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > [...] > > > >>> So where is the research on the fourth done by "serious scientists?' > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Some old research and more modern research on tummo (inner heat) > >> meditation which mastery of requires inner perfection of the fourth > >> pranayama. This is why modern research on these yogis shows they are > >> able to lower their metabolic rates many times more than simple > >> meditation (e.g. TM). As we'd discussed this before, I guess I > >> assumed you remembered--or more likely, conveniently forgot. > >> > >> > > > > Actually, that research has NEVER been replicated under laboratory > > conditions. And it doesn't > > say squat about their state of consciousness, per se. Samadhi is a > > state of consciousness, not > > some ability developed over decades of practice. > > > LOL, Veteran meditation researcher Herbert Benson would disagree as > he was the one who demonstrated there were much, much deeper > metabolic changes than TM.
And where did Benson conduct this research? TM was only 2% different than sleeping. > It'll be interesting to see this repeated; but the really interesting > thing is learning these practices ourselves--whether Hindu or > Buddhist or whatever. The proof is in the pudding, not the research > about the pudding! > > You read the research, I'll eat the pudding. > In my mind, at least, you're eating fake pudding and praising its taste because it appeals to you so much.
