--- In [email protected], "nablusos108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > >wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5" > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > > Not much like Harvard or Yale actually. The integrity is way > > >higher > > > > & much more transparent at the real universities. Differently, > > >at > > > > MUM it takes so much more money when half of it disappears > > > abroad. > > > > No surprize that 250 people have backed out of providing their > > > money > > > > to Maharaishi now and the TMorg. The word is out. > > > > > > > > It is about integrity and this money thing kind of goes in the > > > same > > > > catagory with the movement not being able to easily attract the > > > 2,000 > > > > or 1700 people (M.E.) it was wishing for without hirlings. > > > > > > > > It is a sad story about the loss of integrity and a fallen > guru. > > > > Look at the money problem, their research and their pr, they > are > > > > apparently liars, cheaters and stealers in method. Qualities > not > > > > usually associated with integrity. We'll see if Maharishi can > re- > > > > write things as they have become at the end of his book in the > > > final > > > > chapter. > > > > > > > > Lots of people will write the epilogue when the time is ready > and > > > > there is a lot of material for that. > > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > I don't really see it as a problem with integrity- In other words > I > > > don't think the money is being used to enrich anyone. As I've > said > > > before the TMO including MUM has always struck me as nearly > povery > > > ridden. The problem is that they feel they are not accountable to > > > their benefactors. I feel incalculable gratitude for Maharishi's > > > knowledge and could not really put a price tag on it. Having said > > > that, I give almost nothing to the Movement, because of > > > this "however we spend it is the best way, and no, we don't have > to > > > tell you how because we are saving the world" attitude. Or more > > > precisely, when they pretend not to have the described attitude > and > > > it leaks out anyway. I would feel better if they just said, "we > > need > > > money again for continued operations" and left it at that. > > > > > > > Yeah, yours is a good synopsis of how a lot of meditator people > feel > > here. It (hold the nose and go) is a moral choice and also about > > integrity. You live in FF and count yourself in the domes? You go > > to the domes? Would you if you live here? > > > > There are catagories of folk here. All meditators, some who could > > like to go but who are administratively denied, some who look the > > other way while going, some tru-believer types who make their moral > > chice to look the other way and see no evil, some who simply do not > > condone the bad behaviour and choose not to go & instead meditate > in > > other groups or at home during dome times. It all is experience > > driven. > > > > It is a lot about integrity of consciousness and how people gauge > for > > that. People make moral choices all the time which > > are also very much about Maharishi's integrity. Your comments are > > entirely common here around the TMorg, even people living on campus > > or up in Vedic City. It is fascinating to watch. > > > > It is about character and integrity and people deal with it in a > > variety of ways. That they (Maharishi and the TM0rg) could not > > acheive the numbers for the Maharishi Effect without hiring people > > and importing pundits, & still try to separate people from their > > money after all the other fundraising & conversion of assets? > > > > People sit with it differently but the numbers in the aggregate > > medtitating community have not been good for the TMorg for a > while. > > It is also about integrity in the marketplace and the > > meditating community. Maharishi seemed to have fallen in the scale > > of things. So it is. I am quite hopeful in the end because there > > are so many really good people around here. It still is a great > > spiritual practice community to be in, like that Iowa motto, "Iowa, > a > > great place to grow". There is also an enduring collective hope > and > > prayer that Maharishi and the TMorg will grow out of its bad > > behaviours and spiritual arrogance. He's got time left in him yet. > > > > --Doug in FF > > An american posing as an expert in character, intergrity and moral > issues ? I'm sorry, but HAHAHA !
You are SO RIGHT!! Look at that American John Hagelin!! A perfect example! Talk about someone thinking he is morally superior! And then there's the character and integrity issue! He has none! Heaven help the American TMO!
