--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <drpetersutphen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > However for many simply the cessation of > > thoughts does > > > > not give rise to pure consciousness because of > > the > > > > foundational projection/identification of > > > > consciousness with chitta. Cessation of > > > > thought/vrittis in chitta while identification > > is > > > > still present is a laya and not samadhi. I > > believe > > > > many of the decades long meditators are stuck in > > a > > > > laya when they meditate. They experience peace > > and, > > > > bliss, but it rarely moves into pure > > consciousness. > > > > > > Well said. That's *exactly* why I suggested that > > > having been given a strong intellectual framework > > > that appeals to the normal (that is, > > unenlightened) > > > waking state can actually be an *obstacle* to the > > > appreciation of enlightenment when it dawns. > > > > > > *During* the experience, however long or fleeting > > > it may be, it can be an actual experience of > > samadhi, > > > because while it is going on, the intellect is > > "not > > > at home." But *immediately* afterwards the > > intellect > > > logs back on and tries to superimpose its > > programmed > > > intellectual understanding of "what samadhi is" > > onto > > > the experience, most often with disastrous > > results. > > > > Or not. > > > > > The result is often finding some way to deny that > > > the experience took place, or that it was actually > > > samadhi. > > > > Or not. > > > > What it usually took for a long-term TMer > > > to recognize that samadhi was taking place was for > > > it to last for an extended period of time -- say > > ten > > > to twenty minutes. After such an experience, it > > was > > > difficult for even the most conditioned intellect > > > to impose its preconceptions on the experience. > > <snip> > > > The thing that's fascinating to me is that it's > > > pretty easy (at least for me) to tell which of the > > > participants in this particular discussion have > > > actually *been* to the moon and thus are speaking > > > in their own chosen language "around" an > > experience > > > that was actually an experience for them > > personally, > > > and those who have *never* been there and are only > > > mouthing what they've been told. Pretty > > interesting > > > that that difference can come through, even on the > > > Internet. > > > > Or not. > > > > <snicker> > > Minus the snicker it seems that you're doing a perfect > Jaimani imitation.
Or not. <guffaw>
