--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 9, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Peter wrote: > > > > > --- "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> llundrub wrote: > >>> TM is not different from Dzogchen. > >>> > >> So, you're saying that Dzogchen is non-different > >> from TM. > >> > >> When one past thought has ceased and a future > >> thought > >> has not yet arisen, "in that gap, in between", > >> there's > >> a conciousness of the present moment; "fresh, > >> unaltered > >> by even a hair's breadth of concept, a luminous, > >> naked > >> awareness." That is what Rigpa is, according to > >> Sogyal! > >> > >> 'TM, Dzogchen, and staying in the View' > >> http://tinyurl.com/yd4urd > > > > > > However for many simply the cessation of thoughts does > > not give rise to pure consciousness because of the > > foundational projection/identification of > > consciousness with chitta. Cessation of > > thought/vrittis in chitta while identification is > > still present is a laya and not samadhi. I believe > > many of the decades long meditators are stuck in a > > laya when they meditate. They experience peace and, > > bliss, but it rarely moves into pure consciousness. > > > Wow, thanks for saying this. I couldn't agree more. >
So who is able to make the distinction about someone else's experience, not to mention their own?
