--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > You really *do* see the fact that > > > > we have different ideas than you have -- an expressing > > > > them -- as somehow "abusing" you. > > > > > > I kinda doubt that's what Lawson thinks of as "abuse." > > > I rather suspect he's referring to the abuse you and > > > Vaj regularly dish out to TMers. > > > > You'll never get this, but for the record, saying > > that most TMers know very little about other spiritual > > traditions and not much more about their own is not > > abuse. It's a statement of fact. Saying that they > > repeat memes like "TM is the fastest, most effective > > path to enlightenment" based on zero evidence and *no* > > experience of other techniques is *not* abuse. It's > > describing the situation. and accurately. > > > > If you feel "abused" when the situation is described, > > that's your business.
Yeah, except that (some of which is accurate and some is not) isn't what I'm talking about, of course. > Again, for the record, but not assuming for even > a moment that it'll do any good, what you refer > to above as abuse I regularly dish out to TMers > is your attempt to negatively propagandize what > I say. Here's how it really goes -- I make some > criticism of YOU (Judy Stein) or LAWSON (sparaig), > based on YOUR specific actions, and you character- > ize that as me "dumping on TMers." It isn't. It's > me dumping on YOU. In the first place, you *also* routinely dump on TM supporters as a group. In the second place, *most* of what you criticize Lawson and me for is pure fantasy, made up out of whole cloth. In the third place, the way you *phrase* your criticisms of Lawson and me and TM supporters in general is almost always abusive, and very often viciously so. In the fourth place, reread the claim you made that I'm challenging: "You really *do* see the fact that we have different ideas than you have -- an expressing them -- as somehow 'abusing' you." You can't defend *that* claim, so instead you try to sidestep the obviously false one to one you think you have a better chance of addressing, that we see the fact that you *criticize us* as abusing us. But that claim isn't true either. The *fact* is as I stated it initially: You and Vaj routinely abuse Lawson, me, and TMers in general. I find *neither* of you terribly > representative of TMers, although you both exhibit > traits that I *would* associate with most TMers. > > On the whole, *MOST* of the strong, dedicated TMers > I have encountered here on FFL exhibit either none > or very little of the anger, arrogance, elitism and > close-mindedness that I sometimes complain of in > you and Lawson. > > Clear now? What's clear is that you are unable to face up to the facts. Not to mention, of course, the blatant hypocrisy of your accusing Lawon and me of "anger, arrogance, elitism, and close-mindedness." Um, speaking of abuse...
