On Dec 27, 2006, at 11:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
You are making assumptions out of waking state. In
realization there is nobody to go anyplace.
Not to argue but to pose a question, what if one
has reached a basic state of realization (MMY's CC)
but there is still a long way for him/her to go to
attain a full state of realization. In other words,
there are still a lot of higher states of conscious-
ness still to be experienced. If such a person kicks
the bucket before experiencing them, are those
experiences denied them or do they get another shot?
This was actually asked of Maharishi a few times
in my presence, and he seemed to believe that it
was all over but the shoutin'. No more incarnation,
no more "shots." All I'm suggesting is that other
spiritual traditions don't necessarily see it that
way. They tend to believe that if there are states
still to be evolved *into*, there is still something
left to evolve. In other words, only at the theoretical
"end point" of evolution is there "nobody to go
anyplace." Before that, there is the subjective feeling
that "nobody is at home," but if full realization has not
been attained on a permanent basis, someone still is.
CC will lead to a heavenly dimension, but that state is impermanent.
Once the karma is exhausted, one falls back on the wheel, like a
arrow which reaches it's apex and falls again to earth:
"A Relative teachings and moralist practices
may help beings of certain capacities
to lead a less conflictive existence.
However, an exaggerated emphasis on them
may lead us to believe that rules and precepts are absolute
and that their observance is ultimately important,
thus increasing the delusory valuation that is the cause
of duhkha[i]
and making us more intolerant toward others.
Whatever causes us to rise to heaven
later on will be the cause of our falling into hell.
As stated by Yung-chia Hsüan-chüeh:[ii]
“Giving (dana) practiced with an aim
may result in the grace of being reborn in heaven.
This, however, is like shooting an arrow upwards:
when the strength propelling the arrow is exhausted
it will return to the ground
and this will be a source of adverse karma
for times to come.”
By taking the way of heaven
we fall deep into hell.
In a succession or toothaches and ice-creams
which does the child want to have first?
It is better to step down from the wheel
that carries us up to heaven and then takes us down to
hell.
Yet the worst with moralism
is that it may be used by “demonic” pseudomasters
as a pretext for murdering truly Enlightened Masters.
In the name of purity, the greatest possible fault is
committed."
[i]. Duhkha: dissatisfaction, lack of plenitude, missing the point,
recurrent suffering. This is how the Hinayana Schools characterize
samsara.
[ii]. See Yoka Daishi (Yung-chia Hsüan-chüeh)/Taisen Deshimaru (1981).
--THE MEANING OF SELF-LIBERATION
AND THE LOOPY LOOPS FROM
THE SOURCE OF DANGER IS FEAR
By
Elías Capriles
Article Originally Published in the
International Journal of Transpersonal Studies, vol 20, 2001 (pp. 53-66)
