---thanks for your interesting comments. Bodily death is the present
status of the situation, for the vast majority of people; but not
necessarily the case for many in the future. (google "Rainbow Light
Body")....(the translated immortal, celestial physical body; of which
there appears to be two variations: a. The body shrivels to leftover
clothes and a few teeth laying around, while the components of the
body return as dissipated energy and elements into the environment.
b. The Great Transference, in which bodily death is totally overcome,
and the body is translated into a Celestial realm before physical
death. According to tradition, Padma Sambhava is reputed to have
attained (b).
In [email protected], "wayback71" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> It took a while, but it just occurred to me how different awakening
is from what we are
> looking for. We think we are looking for eternal life for the self
when the body dies.
> Instead what really happpens in Awakening is the oppposite: the
self "dies" ( or the
> notion of what the self is dies) while the body is alive and goes
on living for a while longer.
>
> On a related note: a totally western, traditional psychiatrist
told me the other day that the
> sense of self is really just an amazingly quick "data sweep" of the
different activities in the
> brain, giving rise to illusion of a self in control of things.
Pretty nice description,
> especilaly coming form the neurscientist perspective on the mind.
> --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> wrote:
> >
> > No, it only appears to be nonsense due to lack of
> > experience with pure consciousness. Let me explain.
> > First of all, from a waking state perspective, that is
> > from a perspective wherein consciousness is bound by
> > the object of experiencing, the question makes sense.
> > In waking state there is a rather self-evident ego, a
> > "me" or "I" that appears to be present in all
> > experiencing. This "I" also seems to be surrounded by
> > a vast universe of relative experiences both
> > subjective and objective. The "I" is inside the
> > universe. So from this perspective questions like
> > "where does an enlightened person go when they drop
> > the body" appears to make sense because it assumes an
> > "I" in enlightenment as in waking state. In short,
> > what will this "I" experience when it is enlightened
> > and where will it be when it no longer is inside a
> > body. But enlightenment is the awakening to the
> > infinite value of Self. And if something is infinite
> > it is outside of relative measure; outside of all time
> > and space contraints. The Self of realization is not
> > localized. It is not inside the body, nor is it inside
> > the universe. It is nowhere from a relative
> > perspective; it doesn't exist as an "I" or "me." But
> > experience does continue, obviously, but now rather
> > than being an "I" inside of all the experiencing, all
> > experincing is "inside" pure consciousness. Everything
> > gets turned on its head. All experience is simply
> > something quite insignificant and not really
> > real...whatever that means! So I'm sure when a
> > realized person dies, the relative experincing will
> > change, but "they" don't go anywhere. How could they?
> > There is no localized self to come and go.
> > Consciousness always "is." Experiences come and go.
> > Death of the body is just another experience.
> >
> > --- hyperbolicgeometry <hyperbolicgeometry@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > --- In [email protected], Peter
> > > <drpetersutphen@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >(below): typical Neo-Advaita nonsense. The
> > > discussion pertains to
> > > the body, in the relative sense.
> > > > You are making assumptions out of waking state. In
> > > > realization there is nobody to go anyplace.
> > > >
> > > > --- Jeff Fischer <jeffcandace@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When one has *awakened* where do they go when
> > > they
> > > > > drop the body?
> > > > >
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