--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" jstein@ > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > . [...] > > > > > > > > Samyama's good side is that it helps fine-tune and hone our > > ability > > > > to discriminate finer aspects of awareness, it's downside is > > that if > > > > it is used for siddhis (e.g. yogic flying) we become more > > outward, > > > > more materialistic and fooled by the power of our own delusions > > (maya- > > > > shakti). So the sages say. Thus a method is given which does > > not > > > > necessitate using samyama and thus avoids it's pitfalls. > > > > > > Right, that's why Patanjali titled his work "How to > > > Become More Outward and Materialistic and Fooled by > > > the Power of Your Own Delusions." > > > > > > Well, that's what he *should* have called it. That > > > he called it "How to Know God" instead proves he was > > > fooled by the power of his own delusions. > > > > > > What "sages," where? > > > > > C'mon Judy, admit it, "Vaj" knows waay more than Maharishi and > > Patanjali, combined!! The only reasons he deigns to participate here > > is in hope of being recognized as the great seer that he is. > > > > The problem is, Jim, that unless someone(s) here has a personal > relationship > with Maharishi we (they) don't know what he knows. Just taking what has > come out here about Maharishi it's obvious that we only know what he > presents > publically. Teachers, governors, re or decertified, have little > relationship with Maharishi. What we do have a peculiar kind of PR. > There is so much hidden in the TMO, that unless we know from our own > experience, we're just guessing...
People HAVE gone and spoken with the monks that were around Gurudev (note that the OTHER shankaracharyas chosen by committee were NOT long-time students of Gurudev) and they tell a different story than the anti-MMY PR you get from Usenet. Anoop Chandola (google him) spoke with Swami Shantananda about MMY and heard stories from his relatives about how the selection processs went after SBS died. Jay Coplin spoke to various people. When you read theaccount by others, they spoke with the committee-selected Shankaracharya, but never with anyone who was on the other side. IOW, we only get partial stories anyway and whatever story you chose to go with reflects on what you already believe. > > JohnY >
