--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings
> <no_reply@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "peterklutz"
> <peterklutz@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > > > > How would you describe the quality of the Karma visited
upon
> > Jesus
> > > > > Christ as he was nailed to the cross?>>
> > > >
> > > > Jesus Christ is a story, nothing more.
> > > > He never existed in the time or place that you christians
> > > > think. And even if he was nailed to the cross, if he was
> > > > an Avatar, then no doubt (as he himself says in the story),
> > > > that it was liberating. Only an ignorant man thinks being
> > > > nailed to a cross is bad karma. For the enlightened,
> > > > everything is a good laugh.
> > >
> > > Eh, neither of you has a clue about the Christian
> > > story here. Jesus was a sinless being, a perfect
> > > sacrifice, who willingly gave his life on the cross
> > > *for our sins*, took them upon himself so that we
> > > might be reconciled with God. It's called
> > > Substitutionary Atonement. Ordinary human beans
> > > can never be good enough by our own efforts to be
> > > acceptable in God's sight, but if we accept Jesus'
> > > sacrifice in our name, we are assured of God's
> > > unconditional forgiveness and eternal life.
> > >
> > > (St. Paul dreamed this up, incidentally, well after
> > > the fact; it wasn't Jesus' idea.)>>
> >
> > Eh, are you spoofing here? I assume so.
> > Jesus is a story, no historical proof, right?
>
> No "proof," but most scholars accept that there
> was a person called Jesus who stirred things up
> back then (although some disagree). >>
No, historians will tell you there is no proof for such a person.
The myth has been perpetrated by those that call
themselves "religious scholars" which is an oxymoron in my opinion
since most of them are religious believers in ghosts first, and
historians second.
There is way more proof and agreement among actual scholars that the
story of jesus is a mish-mash of different stories floating around
the middle east for centuries, and being passed back and forth along
the old silk road trading routes from India to Bagdhad to Egypt for
centuries, embellished and added to. The story-tellers in these
caravan people's made their living by telling stories from camp to
camp, and the common people LOVED the stories of the poor boy become
great. And they loved to hear the stories again and again, and never
got tired of hearing them. Just like the superman and spiderman
stories of today. It was bigger than Hollywood back then. Remember,
the Jews were traditionally the "caravan people", the nomadic
traders who traded along the old silk road, and the Palestinians
("Phillistines") were their sedentary city dwelling more
sophisticated cousins.
There is WAY more evidence for the mish-mash of myths to create the
final Jesus story that came down, than there is for any actual
person such as the one that is told in the Bible myth. You have been
duped by the mass of pseudo-scholar religious types, who may have a
lot of study, but start from a position of bias, wether they are
catholic, protestant, or born-again "scholars".
OffWorld
