--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:10 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:56 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > >> > >>> It all depends on your definition for what meditation > >>> is. If you define it as encompassing all the stages > >>> of sitting and thinking, leading up to and including > >>> samadhi, then TM is meditation. > >> > >> Even if they never "transcend"? > > > > Yup. There may be some benefit to just sitting > > and relaxing. But also, I have met many people > > who didn't think they *were* transcending until > > they had a clear, several-minutes-long experience > > of samadhi. With that clear experience under their > > belts, they realized they'd been having brief > > moments of samadhi all along, but had never > > noticed them because they were looking for > > something other than what they are. > > > In this case we're talking about people who "go for years and decades > (or their entire lives) without transcending". That's what I'm > responding to. > > I say: what a waste of time. If they're not aware of transcending, > this is another question entirely or if they're just looking for > relaxation or stress management. If they're not "transcendental" > *successfully* within a year or so, these people would be better off > finding something more efficient and successful *for them*. The > meditation technique needs to rise to meet the student, not > ncessarily the other way around. If a technique cannot produce > transcendence, adjustemnts should be made (and obviously "checking" > does not always do this). To propose that consistent *failure* to > transcend is "success" is TB and brainwashed nonsense. Different > people benefit from different styles of meditation. If they're given > an inappropriate meditation technique--whatever technique that might > be--it's better for them to have something (anything) that will be > appropriate for their own unique condition of body, nadi-constitution > and mind. > > This is why a guru observes a student over an appropriate period of > time before instruction is given. Commercial meditation almost always > ignore this important fact: we're all different. >
Of course, given that TM is advertised as working for everyone, perhaps you're projectintg your own definition of "works" onto what TM actually does.
