--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jan 14, 2007, at 8:10 PM, sparaig wrote: > > >>>> > >>>> Er, no. People go for years and decades (or their entire lives) > >>>> without transcending, and yet > >>>> they show much the same physiological changes in their brain. > >>> > >>> Er, yes. Of course you notice the same changes--they're still > >>> cogitating a mantra! But they have failed in their meditation > >>> practice. > >>> > >>> They require more skillful means. > >> > >> It all depends on your definition for what meditation > >> is. If you define it as encompassing all the stages > >> of sitting and thinking, leading up to and including > >> samadhi, then TM is meditation. If you define it as > >> the periods of samadhi and weight the benefits as > >> coming primarily from those periods, then some other > >> techniques may provide a more "skillful means." > >> > > > > > > Assuming that those techniques bring about "real" samadhi of course... > > > That is the assumption, yes. > > But I also should point out that if TM teaching and checking hadn't > "gone canonical" (i.e "fixed" and deemed "pure"), there are perfectly > good ways to correct all these issues. The Hindu mantrayana is vast > in it's array of techniques and adjuncts. One traditional approach, > purification of the nadi-bioenergetic systems with pranayama, is > being practiced by the newer lineal descendants of Sri Sri Ravi > Shankar. Numerous advanced pranayama techniques, along with > visualizations, were used in elite TM courses but unfortunately never > trickled down to the rank and file. There still exists no way to get > their mantra changed because the underlying science of mantra is in > fact never taught to TM teachers. In fact, the real raison d'etre of > the actual mantras is hidden. >
Numerous techniques may have b een tried and discarded as not-effective.
