--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "coshlnx" <coshlnx@> wrote: > > > > > > ---Re: Vaj says "no Samadhi". Actually, he's parrotting his Guru, > > > Chogyal Norbu Rinpoche, who disses "internalized" silent sitting > > > meditation; in favor of the Dzogzen "direct cognition" approach. > > The > > > problem with this is a disconnect between raw theory(incorrect > > > suppositions on the part of Norbu and Vaj) and what people > > directly > > > experience. Saying "direct cognition - no need for silent sitting > > > meditation" is something that has to be challenged, tested, and > > > conclusions wrung out in the light of direct experience. > > > Vipassana/mindfulness is in the Dogzchen camp, a seeming > > alternative > > > to silent, sitting meditation. > > > One is free to say anything desired, but if somebody makes a > > claim, > > > say "drink Ganges water and you will be Enlightened in one hour", > > > this claim has to be tested in the light of direct experience. > > > In short, Norbu/Vaj's Dogzchen/mindfulness can't hold a candle > > to > > > TM; and Vaj in some immature perverse manner is dissing a truly > > great > > > technique that Norbu is totally ignorant of. > > > The Dzogchen "direct transmission" approach sounds find in > > theory, > > > if one is living on Mars; but coming down to earth, where are the > > > dozens of people Enlightened through this approach, (apart from > > the > > > Tibetan Lamas who spent years in solitude)??? > > > > > > > Ironically, Vaj says he started TM when he was 14, no doubt making > > any type of meditation he has practiced afterwards more successful. > > Rather than honor this essential step in his spiritual journey, he > > regularly scorns it. > > > > I remain unconvinced that his followup techniques have been successful. In fact, I'm fairly > certain that they are not.
Something sure has gotten fracked up, or never got fixed.
