--The bottom line is effectiveness, not effort in itself; but those of us who appreciate the subtleties and effectiveness of TM, have come to realize that it's effectiveness is coupled with a virtual level of total effortless; at most, conceding that Vaj's point about the mantras is only half true. Effort in TM is not due to the technique, but rather a. incorrect practice, and b. unstressing. But even if there were effort (say TM was more like a traditional hard concentration technique)...; one must examine the results and compare the results to the teachings of the rather mediocre Gurus, such as Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche, who has no single technique that can come close to the effectiveness of TM, effort or not. ....the trig. man (ps. thanks for your e mail, Vaj, but I deleted it before reading)...in anticipation of utter nonsense.. I posted the Buddhist quote and entitled it "effort required in Buddhism" knowing that I would get a "rise" out of you...mission accomplished!...but for those requesting my point, simple: various Gurus (such as certain Advaitins & direct transmission, "immediate Enlightenment" Dzogchen masters) claim to be teachers of purely effortless Sadhanas; but this is all talk, little substance. At the end of the day's Sadhana, there's the next day, and the next, and the next....etc; and all such techniques with varying degrees of effort amount to an expenditure of energy in terms of commitment, perseverance, and placing one's Sadhana above other concerns. That's the effort. To conclude, TM is effortless but culturing the nerveous system takes time.Ineffective techniques and Gurus are practically useless! Why even bother with such mediocrity? Do the Pepsi/Coke test, find out for yourself. Of course, in thousands of people; one can find a few people who go crazy in the process. There are a number of errors in your logic, Vaj. Shame on you!...
- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:13 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > But you somehow miss: use of any attractive object [of attention]. > > Like a mental mantra? > > No, never missed it. > > ANY object and transcending subject, object and the-process-in- > between is subtle effort. Grow up and get over it, ok? > > Don't they have any Hindus in Arizona, Jersey or Sweden you could > talk to? > > I have artist's ready to make the new Zero Tarot card, the only > question is: Judy or Lawson or Peter K.? > > We're ready for the new fool. Will the real New Fool step up? >
