You are making some good distinctions. I once tried to map out my impressions of FFL posters on a belief continuom from Purusha level all in, to people like myself who don't even share a spiritual model or have altered its definition radically. It was an interesting exercise in deciding what beliefs were more core.
The big belief jump seems to be when you are willing to accept another technique of meditation as valid or alter your TM practice somehow. That seems to define a lot of what side of the divide people fall. As far as the additional beliefs in the TM system, Judy IMO falls pretty low on the scale, although I can't imagine her trying other meditation practices or experimenting with her own. On the other hand belief in God is pretty core for many people on a spiritual path and this creates another big belief divide. Here Judy has more in common with Atheists like myself than say a Lou who has clusters of beliefs beyond even the TM cosmology. Another distinction seems to revolve around whether there are enlightened people at all, and if so, is MMY one of them. This creates some interesting belief subcultures here. It doesn't seem to be a simple line, probably more like a flow chart. Yeah thats it, a demented Unified Field Chart! If we all had online images that could be a cool project to map. --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 7, 2007, at 9:10 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > In arguments with you about meditation she takes the party line on TM, > > so you get a high dose of that. But IMO it is about the arguing, not > > the party line. Since the whole tone is so out of favor with the TM > > PR model, and so many doctrine critical beliefs are not shared with > > true blue TM believers, I decided that there had to be another > > explanation. If it isn't devotion to MMY or the movement, then I feel > > it might be a devotion to the fight itself. TM is just a convenient > > prop. But hey what do I know, I'm just a simple sod! > > > Or could it be someone trapped in the first stages of grief: denial > and anger? > > I guess it depends on what specifically you mean by "doctrinal > beliefs"--that would tend to denote a TMO TB, not a TM TB, wouldn't > it? My take is, when most people use the term "TB" in regard to TM > and/or TMSP practitioners, they are talking about True Belief in TM/ > TMSP and NOT the TM org. > > TM org TB's would probably be better called "TM bots"--although there > does seem to be a certain amount of overlap between the two, which > makes it rather confusing. > > TM TB's can be and probably most often are independent. TMO TB's are > not. It's the relative independence of the former that makes them > insist they are not TB's--but to someone object outside of either > mindset, it's clear they are. >
