--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:43 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 8, 2007, at 11:18 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Are you under the impression that PC is an active mental
state,
> > >>> filled with thoughts and
> > >>> problem-solving activities?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> There is no mention of PC in the citation Sparaig. I believe
the
> > >> researchers refer to PC as a "metaphysical
> > >> assertion" rather than any sceintific reality. In fact the
idea
> that
> > >> people are experiencing something called PC, is one
> indoctrinated in
> > >> them before they begin the practice. Unfortunately, it does
not
> > >> appear the researchers are aware of the tendency
for "experience
> > >> coaching".
> > >>
> > >
> > > Er, yeah, but the citation of Travis 2004 clearly discusses PC
> and CC.
> >
> >
> > Exactly the point, these are all metaphysical assertions, not
> > scientific realities, further more TMers--particularly long-
term
> > TMers are coached as to what these experiences are supposed to
be
> and
> > what they are supposed to mean.
> >
> > I can't say for sure, but it looks to me as if TM research has
> > largely been discredited here. All the claims we've heard for
> years
> > and years were not only huge exaggerations, but really, really
> > reaching beyond what was scientifically feasible. A bunch of
more
> > research on the same old thing isn't likely to change anything
> > (except perhaps make it look even more suspect). What I am
forced
> to
> > wonder is 'was there some high-up figurehead in the TMO
> *insisting*
> > this is what the data meant', even though it did not. That's
what
> it
> > sounds like is happening.
> >
> Even if all the research is BS, you just can't argue with Reality,
> can ya?
>
LOL! Thought of something about Vaj's rant this morning- he is
saying everyone's experience with TM is predicated on auto
suggestion, and on the other hand redicules me for having had
experiences they *never* discuss in the TMO. What's up with that? He
can't win with him Self...
