--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "peterklutz" <peterklutz@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > > During my lifetime I have had conversations
> > > with bums, with whores and pimps, with a murderer
> > > (who was a TMer, by the way), with atheists and
> > > with total materialists. Not ONE of them was any
> > > less "spiritual" than any of the "spiritual" people
> > > I've met in over 40 years of spiritual seeking. And
> > > to be honest, most of them were nicer people than
> > > the people I know who consider themselves spiritual.
> > 
> > I wonder what the editors on this list will make of this 
> > oxymoronic passage? The only TMers that qualify as nice 
> > and spiritual are those that have killed other people?
> 
> Well, he *was* nicer than many TMers I've met. Really 
> sweet guy. 
> 
> It was in Las Vegas. I was dating another TMer who 
> was visiting her parents there, and so I drove out from
> L.A. to spend a little time with her (she didn't live in 
> L.A.). Because I was working for the Regional Office at 
> the time, they asked me to give an advanced lecture at 
> the local TM center, and I did. And I met some wonderful 
> people there, including this big guy who, I was told, 
> hadn't missed a weekly advanced lecture since he'd 
> started TM a couple of years before. 
> 
> And so after the lecture we're all standing around talking
> and drinking punch and eating cookies. Me and the big guy 
> had some wonderful discussions about meditation, about 
> enlightenment, and about reincarnation. And then someone 
> brought up this radio DJ in L.A. who had been giving TM a 
> hard time. This was at the beginning of the "Is TM a religion" 
> court cases, and the DJ was definitely taking the "Yes" 
> position on the air -- often, and as if it were some kind
> of crusade for him. Later that evening, the big guy took me 
> aside from the rest of the group and said to me, "You know, 
> something could *happen* to this DJ if you want."
> 
> I thought he was joking and I laughed it off and said, "No,
> I don't think that'll be necessary," and we went back to
> the other meditators and had a grand old time.
> 
> Later I mentioned it to my ladyfriend and she told me what
> the fellow did for a living there in Las Vegas, and that he 
> hadn't been joking. It turns out that if you grow up in
> Vegas, you pretty much know all the "made" guys in town by
> sight.
> 
> True story. Very weird. Don't know quite what to make of it 
> to this day. The guy was jolly and outgoing, sorta like Tony
> Soprano on TV when he's laughing and joking with his family.
> Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure.
>

Perhaps our friend Dr Peter can offer an hypothesis? Early life trauma
... memory/personality compartmentalization ... ? 


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