--Vaj, you're attempting to divert attention from the real by creating strawmen and bringing up practically unattainable goals. For one thing, Gurus who have attained a Rainbow Light Body are exceedingly rare, and I challenge you to bring up instances in which they regularly appear in people's dreams. OTOH, countless people have experienced the Shakti of MMY, SBS, and Ramana Maharshi. True, SBS and RM didn't attain Rainbow Light bodies, but we accept the benefits given to us, in whatever form is most appropriate for time and circumstance. Fine, if you want to restrict your devotion to Rainbow Gurus, you may have to wait a long time. It's highly unlikely your own Guru Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche will acquire one. He will rot in the grave like the others.
- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mar 16, 2007, at 7:36 PM, matrixmonitor wrote: > > > -bdlow: Vaj says Ramana is dead and the neo-Advaitins have created a > > type of pseudo-religion. Vaj, for once, I agree with most of your > > statements; and in corroboration, I will offer up a profound > > statement of Adi Da: "Dead Gurus don't kick ass". (an interesting > > twist on the elder Bush's famous statement). The real question, > > though, is...: is the statement TRUE? > > Depends on the "guru" and the style of realization they had. > > Most advaitin realizers will transfer to one of the Brahma-lokas on > death of the physical body. The downside of course: they're still in > samsara, just a much nicer place than kali-yuga Earth. Even if they > happen to make it farther into Arupadhatu, or the formless world, > they're still on the wheel. Do these type of beings visit dreamers on > Earth? This is the question we need to honestly ask ourselves. > > > No. Don't have time to go into this in detail, except to say that > > I've had two extremely powerful "inner plane" experiences with > > Ramana; and in support of an opposing viewpoint, much circumstantial > > evidence points to his being MORE powerful being "dead" than prior to > > his physical death in 1950. > > Of course, that depends on whether or not your dream image of Ramana > IS Ramana in some dream guise or whether or not it is a karmic > fabrication of Ramana from your own karmic traces: a karmic dream vs. > a real dream of clarity. Did you know anything of Ramana before he > appeared in your dream? It all boils down to whether or not we have > the spiritual maturity to discriminate between a karmic dream > fabricated from our own traces or from an actual samadhic dream. And > of course if it appeared in a dream and was something we liked, we > naturally want to assume it is something "real" (Ramana visitng us). > But *was* it? > > > For example, in the tape "Sage of Arunachala", the very last few > > frames, people are shown leaving Sri Ramanasramam in 1950 after he > > died. Then the narrator continues by saying that after a brief > > period had elapsed, people realized that his Presence was not only > > undiminished, but rather, He (and associated murtis like the > > Arunachala Hill and the Temple); became MORE powerful with time. > > The growing numbers of Neo-Advaitins tend to magnify his power, > > even though only a few of them are still devoted to Ramana. > > To conclude, Ramana is FAR more powerful than most living Gurus, say > > Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche. > > Also, Guru Dev (SBS) still "lives" every time a puja is done. His > > Shakti is probably far more powerful now than in 1957. > > Is it guru Dev (or Ramana) or is it merely the morphogenetic field, > the "standing wave" left behind? And what is the difference? > > In general the only types of realizers that you are likely to have > authentic contact with are Light Body realizers IMO. In such a case, > all you have to ask is "did they leave a carcass behind?" If the > answer is "yes", then you might want to consider what it is that was > in your dream. > > .02 USD >
