Per your thoughtful post below, see my post earlier today on "teacher as doorway to the infinite." Just as a question, is it *possible* that what you and others feel when they "feel" the presence of a dead guru is the presence of *infinity*, and not the finite form of it that they associate with the teacher?
--- In [email protected], "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -bdlow: Vaj says Ramana is dead and the neo-Advaitins have created a > type of pseudo-religion. Vaj, for once, I agree with most of your > statements; and in corroboration, I will offer up a profound > statement of Adi Da: "Dead Gurus don't kick ass". (an interesting > twist on the elder Bush's famous statement). The real question, > though, is...: is the statement TRUE? > No. Don't have time to go into this in detail, except to say that > I've had two extremely powerful "inner plane" experiences with > Ramana; and in support of an opposing viewpoint, much circumstantial > evidence points to his being MORE powerful being "dead" than prior to > his physical death in 1950. > For example, in the tape "Sage of Arunachala", the very last few > frames, people are shown leaving Sri Ramanasramam in 1950 after he > died. Then the narrator continues by saying that after a brief > period had elapsed, people realized that his Presence was not only > undiminished, but rather, He (and associated murtis like the > Arunachala Hill and the Temple); became MORE powerful with time. > The growing numbers of Neo-Advaitins tend to magnify his power, > even though only a few of them are still devoted to Ramana. > To conclude, Ramana is FAR more powerful than most living Gurus, say > Chogyal Namkhai Rinpoche. > Also, Guru Dev (SBS) still "lives" every time a puja is done. His > Shakti is probably far more powerful now than in 1957. > > -- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 16, 2007, at 2:05 PM, qntmpkt wrote: > > > > > --I doubt that you'll be able to collect any dirt on Ramana > > > Maharshi. He's "impeccable" as to moral standards....in the same > > > category as Guru Dev. > > > > > > The only dirt on Ramana is that HE IS DIRT. He's dead. Long gone. > My > > impression of Ramana (having watched his DVD) is that he was an > > average yogi with a semi-extraordinary life who just happened to > > awaken at a time when communication systems allowed him to jump to > > worldwide notoriety. Don't get me wrong, I like Ramana, but in the > > larger picture he was just a realizer showing up at the right > place > > at the right time. There were hundreds or thousands of realizers > we > > never, ever heard about. He had good interdependent supporting > > factors. Sadly now his legacy is used support various neo-advaitins. > > > > The only with problem Ramana and other dead advaitins is how they > are > > misappropriated by current sadhakas as rationales for their > own "look > > at me, I'm enlightened schemes." Not that that was ever anything > > Ramana supported, but 'dead Ramana' plays poster boy for alotta > > Pseudo-advaitins who are hangin'out their satsang shingle at > Ramana's > > expense. It's like this poor guy's corpse is hauled out every now > and > > then when someone wants to use him. > > >
