With all due respect, what the f*ck are you talking about? I see no messianic mission. I don't see him attempting to convert people. Convert them to what? Do you know Curtis at all?
--- mainstream20016 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Re: Curtis M., > Yes, Peter, Curtis is wonderful. He has > marvelous > talent and charm. His posts on FFL create > spontaneous > outbursts of laughter. > On the other hand.... I would appreciate him > more > were I not to get the sense that he traded one > messianic > mission for another in 1989, and since then, and > including today, is recruiting for the new mission. > It seems that if one is embarrassed, one > would minimize attention to one's poor judgement, > rather > than shout from the rooftop. The gamble Curtis takes > is that we will absolve him from personal > responsibility for > his choices, and place all responsibility for his > misspent > years at the feet of MMY and his movement. Sorry, > I'm not buying. > Luv ya, still, Curtis. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey, you guys leave Curtis alone. We hungout > together > > at MIU and he's quite "otay" in my book. If you > > personally knew Curtis there's no way in the world > you > > guys would attack him or attempt to demean him. > He's > > one of the good guys. He really is. I could give a > > rat's ass what the difference is between his take > on > > the TMO/MMY, etc. and what my take is. Who cares. > I > > could care less if he tried to deprogram me as I > came > > out of the dome. What would it matter. We could > talk > > about it over chapatis and tastey dahl, yum! > > > > --- curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > I will address this to judyjim who seem to have > > > formed a symbiotic > > > entity of malice toward me personally. > > > > > > From the ages of 16 through 31 I explored the > > > teachings of MMY. I did > > > it with the enthusiasm and commitment that I > needed > > > to experience the > > > states of mind his programs bring. At age 31 I > > > began a process of > > > re-evaluating my experiences from outside MMY's > > > system and found those > > > explanations to be more useful to me, and to my > mind > > > more truthful. > > > In other words, I changed my mind due to new > > > information and > > > perspectives as I grew up. It was a long > process > > > and came at a cost, > > > but it was worth it. As I have said many times, > I do > > > not regret my > > > experiences with MMY's teachings. I gained all > > > sorts of value from > > > those years. But I also look at the movement > and > > > its leader's > > > self-importance as ridiculous and a good subject > for > > > humor. > > > > > > Judyjim have presented a criticism of my total > > > commitment and sincere > > > efforts when I was a part of organization a few > > > times here, as if > > > following MMY's strictest programs, sidhaland > and > > > MIU was a personal > > > failure of mine. They also point to my > willingness > > > to share my new > > > perspective with those who were interested as if > > > this too reveals a > > > defect in my character. > > > > > > The attempt to paint my life as "troubled" > because I > > > was sincerely > > > focused on MMY's teachings for 15 years, and > since > > > 1989 have > > > expressed another point of view on his teaching, > is > > > lame. Rather then > > > discussing ideas, it is the last resort to > attempt > > > to attack the > > > person rather than an argument. It is the > lowest > > > form of discourse. > > > It takes neither imagination or intellectual > > > insight. > > > > > > To Judy: You have brought up the idea that when > I > > > fight back when > > > personally attacked here, it is a flaw in my > "nice > > > guy image". This > > > is a contrivance of your own invention. I am > not a > > > nice guy to people > > > who attack me. I fight back when I feel it is > > > appropriate. I am nice > > > to people who treat me with respect and have the > > > ability to discuss > > > ideas without making it a personal attack. I > will > > > always point out > > > when a person is being rude to me or attacking > me > > > personally. Your > > > continued hostility towards me personally speaks > for > > > itself about your > > > personal values. I do not share them. > > > > > > To Jim: If you can search on my name you can > search > > > what ad hominem > > > attacks are. Your use of them undermines any > hope > > > you may have as > > > coming across as a thoughtful advocate of your > point > > > of view. > > > > > > My point of view is based on my perspective that > MMY > > > is incorrect in > > > his understanding of human consciousness. My > POV is > > > a positive step > > > for me in understanding my life and my > experiences > > > in the movement. > > > For the people here who are able to discuss our > > > various perspectives, > > > where we differ, and where we agree, I am > extremely > > > grateful. Posting > > > here has been a valuable asset to the evolution > of > > > my perspective and > > > thoughts concerning MMY among other parts of > life. > > > Some of you have > > > shared my intense interest in MMY's teachings to > the > > > point of pursuing > > > it fulltime. You are the people I relate to > best > > > here. If MMY was > > > correct in his understanding of human > consciousness, > > > this total > > > commitment to achieving his goals is the most > > > rational thing for a > > > person to do. Likewise, if we have decided that > it > > > no longer suited > > > our needs, it is also rational to express our > > > growing understanding > > > assisted by other teachers, and our own personal > > > thinking. There are > > > many on this group who discuss ideas in this > > > mutually respectful way. > > > It is a fantastic intellectual resource. That > is > > > why I post here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
