--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > With only one post left today I knew how I would use it. I had a > point by point defense for Judy's post. I was being clever (in my own > mind), proving how wrong she was and how right I am! > > Then the two positive posts from Geezer and Vaj broke my dark trance > and I was reminded why I post here. Thanks for the hand helping me > out of the black hole of my own creation. I don't have to respond to > people who wish me ill and always have. I need to spend my 5 on > people like you guys. Much appreciated!
What I find interesting is that you have these two people -- Curtis and Judy -- each of whom have been doing TM regularly for the past 35 years and yet one has a totally negative personality and the other has a totally positive personality. Isn't it fascinating how TM can be done by people of all sorts of political bents, world views, and attitudes and yet the light of consciousness shines through in one and hardly manifests in the other. Yet both meditate! I guess consciousness works in strange and wonderful ways and...uh, what's that you say? WHAT? You're saying Curtis does NOT practise TM? What? You say he hasn't done TM regularly in more than 15 years? Really? Gosh. Well, in the immortal words of Emily Litella: never mind. > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On May 2, 2007, at 6:24 PM, geezerfreak wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Girish got no game? The rise of trust-fund gurus. > > > > > > > > Shemp's points about Girish got me thinking...is he the Paris Hilton > > > > of gurus? How would people relate to him if he tries to take over > > > the > > > > whole show after MMY? > > > > > > > > Pros for Girish include his dynastic relationship with MMY. It is > > > > like the Shia thing. He is part of Mohammad's family so he has a > > > > clear channel to the source. Indians would probably be impressed > > > with > > > > his family relationship and his obvious wealth. I think he is better > > > > positioned for the East. > > > > > > > > On the Sunni side we have the idea that the movement should elect a > > > > person who the most people can rally around. But this is > > > problematic. > > > > (Best word in this whole post. Sounds like a 50's invention) In the > > > > West we love gurus with a "story" and Girish has none. One of MMY's > > > > charms was his story. I loved to think of him sitting in the > > > Himalayas > > > > for two years with few thoughts like Jeff Spicoli from Fast Times, > > > > so wasted on his "Self" that he could hardly move. I thought of > > > him as > > > > an innocent monk in the library in South India, going to the temple > > > > every day oblivious to his future mission. (Of course this blows > > > apart > > > > any idea that Guru Dev actually gave him any instructions before he > > > > died. MMY's story of the "innocent" start of the movement is in > > > > direct contrast to the myth of his "mission".) I saw him as the > > > > charming little imp in Hermit in the House, running up the Olsens > > > > phone bill to start up his business, but turning off the lights > > > as if > > > > he caught the hint that he was overstaying his welcome. Even the > > > > Beatles story worked for a while till his ambitions became too great > > > > and he started looking more like he was using them instead of > > > > enlightening them. (As an aside I always felt that it was his > > > > insistence about using the Beatles for his marketing that was the > > > > breaking point, not his pawing the disciples. The Beatles were > > > sick of > > > > people trying to cash in on their fame) After all these charming > > > > stories MMY hit his power stride. Probably him starting the "World > > > > Government" was the end of his most cute puppy-like era. Once his > > > > true ambitions kicked in as a "world leader" ranting to other actual > > > > world leaders, he lost a lot of charm IMO. He began to resemble The > > > > Donald. For people who longed for the "good old days" there is Ravi > > > > Shankar who has plenty of the old MMY charisma and charm. MMY > > > without > > > > the "world domination" ambitions. (yet?) > > > > > > > > Girish has none of this. No story, no game. He has a Paris Hilton > > > > vibe. Even though Paris is fabulously famous she has little ability > > > > to influence people to do anything, which a guru needs to control an > > > > organization. She gets paid to wave at crowds at new club openings > > > > but the kids aren't ready to take any instructions from her. > > > > Girish's claim to fame is that he was born with the gold ghee > > > lamp in > > > > his hand. So how can he excite any fantasy in his followers? He is > > > > just another dude like us but with a famous relative, he is a > > > Spelling > > > > kid, or another rich rocker's-model wife genetic freak. I never > > > met a > > > > guy who inherited great wealth who didn't have the "entitlement > > > > disease". (or is it all just jealousy projection?) George Bush seems > > > > full of his entitlement and self confidence based on all the wrong > > > > reasons. (growing up with people kissing your ass seems like a > > > bad way > > > > to develop personality.) Girish needs an image branding overhaul. He > > > > could start with a little Katie Couric style Photoshop slimming > > > of his > > > > gulab jamun fortified cheeks, and stop sitting in front of his own > > > > huge picture looking like his tongue might shoot out and pull a > > > pundit > > > > boy into his huge mouth. > > > > > > > > Does the younger generation (excuse me sonny, can you had me my > > > cane) > > > > have the same need for Gurus that we boomers did? I guess it is a > > > > part of human nature and our primate past to want an alpha to > > > lead us, > > > > but it seems as if this system is breaking down a bit. We have > > > gone a > > > > long way through every kind of scandal of all our religious and > > > > political leaders to be innocent enough again. The kids brought > > > up on > > > > a diet of John Stewart seem to have "snark" where we had hero > > > worship. > > > > I don't sense that the younger generation is as apt to buy into one > > > > person having figured it all out. Of course they also don't > > > strike me > > > > as a generation of readers, so I'm not sure how that will be > > > abused by > > > > people with image power. "Whatever" may have replaced "far out" > > > but it > > > > requires the same amount of neuron activity. (zero) > > > > > > > > So without MMY at the helm the movement will be left with leaders > > > who > > > > either got handed the keys to the vault, like Girish, or people who > > > > have been in the position of lying to people for MMY for years like > > > > Bevan and Neil P. Nandkashore is much too much of an oddball IMO to > > > > take over anything. The Rajas are too much like oversized > > > children at > > > > a silly birthday party to be leaders of anything. > > > > > > > > My guess is that most posters on FFL represents the future of the > > > > movement. People who are just doing their own thing and not giving > > > > any one guru their power. The young'uns will have to find their own > > > > myths and it may be a completely different kind of leader. If I was > > > > being optimistic I would say that they learned from our mistakes > > > > concerning leaders. If I am being cynical I would say that some 3D > > > > hologram created by a mega corporation is going to take over the lot > > > > of them. It will occasionally flash them like Paris getting out of a > > > > car, and keep them dazzled with BS and bluster claiming to be all > > > > powerful and all knowing. At the rest home we can all sit around and > > > > reminisce about how cool it was when MMY blessed our beads. > > > > > > Curtis! Best post I've read in ages. You nailed it brother. > > > > He's got that knack, don't he? > > >
