--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> According to Patanjali, Ishvara is the inner controller, 
> higher than even the subtlest relative.

In some circles Ishvara represents Brahman and his consort Prakriti,
wherein is found his immanent nature Brahma, the son, the Creative
intelligence behind and controlling the Gunas/Prakriti.


 God Brahm is the 
> Transcendental Person in the Upanishads, the Purusha, who 
> is beyond this creation, that is, transcendental to the 
> contituents of nature.

Thanks for recognizing that...that is, transcendental to the gunas or
the three worlds (physical, astral, casual) but still manifest! As a
'person' he/she is limited to time and space in his/her manifest
condition.


 What you have just described is a 
> type of adwaitan illusionism which denies the 'personality' 
> of God. You might consider this and avoid the error of 
> thinking that God Brahm is just an illusion, a part and 
> parcel of the relative.

Brahm or Brahma is still subject to time and space, only Brahman is
Absolute...,his reflection (being Brahma, the second 'person' of the
trinity) in Prakriti is limited to the Manvantara.

In Pralaya God's reflection Brahma dissolves back into the unmanifest
and Mother Nature, now called *mula-prakriti* rests in Pralaya as well
holding all the seeds of future incarnations.

 But in fact, God is the Transcendent 
> Purusha in a Supreme Person - that's what 'God' means - 
> a supreme person, the Ishvara of Patanjali's Yoga Sutras.

As MMY says, God is both personal (immanent-all pervading *in* creation)
and impersonal beyond all creation-both.
 
> The argument that God is the highest of the relative is 
> not a convincing argument.

He is both...when MMY talks about God consciousness this is what he is
talking about. This 'highest relative' can take any form but the state
of consciousness called God Consciousness is merging with the Solar
Deity who is all pervading in creation and is its animating power thru
the laws of nature or Prakriti. The trinity.....

 Badarayana, Ramanuja, Nimbarka, 
> Madhva, and Vallabha all agree on this. Of all the 
> Upanishadic thinkers, only Shankara places the Purusha
> among the relative illusions called Maya.

He is both....


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