On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Rory Goff wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's not my experience of non-proliferation of karmic winds at
all,
> although your description was very colorful.
Thank you. I did not go into detail yet again on early experiences of
refinement/cessation of breath and the absorption into the rapture of
the kundalini-flow up the sushumna through its chakras and into the
spherical golden-light-body, and of the later dissolution of this
Solar
Witness into THAT, the Great Immensity, and so on, because I believe
I've said it all before, and you apparently continue to discount
it, or
insist it's not possible through the TM & TMSP program -- perhaps
because I have not, 30 years after the fact, recalled or related every
infinitesimal "stage" like water-into-smoke or whatever that your
currently-adopted tradition holds to be of utmost importance as
a "criterion" for Awakening...?
Of course, the biggest joke is, we only truly Awaken when we realize
there *are* no criteria, no experiences, no stages, no *anything* that
can get us from Here to Here! :-)
If you have found TM/TMSP to be of no value in your Awakening, well
and
good; I wish you all the best; your path is perfect and all paths lead
back to Me for those with the courage to follow the Self Alone, but I
will yet again point out that your particular experience or
interpretation of TM/TMSP, while certainly valid for you in this
moment, is not universal.
One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered
to thousands or millions of people without personalized instruction:
there will be some people who based on their own good circumstances
will awaken in a balanced manner simply due to their fortunate and
balanced disposition (of body, energy and Mind). The technique used
is therefore of little consequence. In fact even a dangerous
technique can be a cause for awakening in some.
> In some practitioners of the TMSP,
I wonder how many?
That's a really good question. It would be interesting to hear what
Joan would have to say on this. Certainly she's receiving a large
number of TMSP people.
> what yogins are finding is
> exacerbation of the karmic nadis and entrapment in non-bindu
> resolving routes. Left unresolved and not re-routed to the central
> channel the prognosis is for lifetimes of suffering, and a downward
> turn on the wheel of samsara is almost guaranteed.
I can almost guarantee that *anyone* who's afraid of downward turns on
the wheel of samsara will certainly undergo them! More of Me to Love,
and all THAT. :-) I'm familiar with Joan Shivarpita Harrigan's
Kundalini Vidya and her models of unsuccessful risings. I like her
general outlay of subtle anatomy, and I'm sure she offers a wonderful
service, but the nonculminating rising has certainly not been my
experience.
And of course it will not for everyone. However, as you know from
Harrigan's work, siddhi practice will tend to predispose one to an
unbalanced rising. In fact some gurus prefer this, as it not only
places the student in a sort of limbo, but creates a kind of zombie
who's very likely to stick around.
This is not to say the TMO and its TM practitioners could not benefit
from incorporating a good deal more awareness of the Kundalini
process.
I suspect we all bring our own issues to our own birth. Some births
are
messy, some are not. Blockages certainly occur, and can often be
resolved through breath, easy attention, etc. On the other hand, I
suspect too much attention on the Kundalini-process itself could also
be inimical to one's true Awakening, as its presence or absence can be
used as yet another criterion to deny the eternal perfection of the
present, and for me at least, the conventionally understood Kundalini
rising into the Golden Soul -- while unimaginably powerful, blissful,
clear, etc -- was at most but a midway station, and perhaps not
necessary for all -- to actual Awakening into THAT, compared to which
it was but a candle in the Sun.
I like much of what Joan S. Harrigan says, although we differ quite
emphatically on the placement and function of the Hrit padma. The
scriptures cited in Shyam Sundar Goswami's Layayoga agree far more
closely with my own experience and Understanding on that -- which I
find has been central to the understanding of the true relationship of
Shiva and Shakti, as well as to the understanding of the 1 and the 12,
the unfoldment of the 27 bodies of consciousness and so on.
> Cutting off of karmic winds has a very different, if not opposite
> effect. It closes the door to downward turning incarnations and sets
> one truly free. It's real signs are unmistakable once achieved.
Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self
alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-)
If you believe in Self that is. To me Self or self is just
codependent arising illusion.
