--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > One thing to keep in mind, particularly in a technique administered > > to thousands or millions of people without personalized > instruction: > > Let's just say that what you are saying is true. What is your > alternative? You have been at this same message for years, and yet > never propose a workable alternative. Maharishi's goal has always been > to create world peace by quickly raising the world consciousness. How > else can this be done except to provide an easy to practice technique, > en masse? Are you suggesting the the millions who practice TM and TMSP > instead go through what you did? That would not scale. So in the > meantime I will be waiting for your alternative. Otherwise I assume > you are like the guy in the meeting that shoots everything down, > without coming up with a responsible suggestion of his own.
There are a number of valid options out there. I don't know about Vaj but I personally talk with friends who are having problems with their program or their life about possible solutions. The rule with most valid spiritual practices is you find it when you're ready, mass marketing or promotion over the internet is not the approach. No one is shooting down the TMSP. Those of us who have 30+ yrs experience with TMSP and know hundreds of others are simply addressing the problems that have come up for many. After addressing the problem via a complementary approach a person can continue their TMSP with much better results or go along another route that their natural evolutionary tendency is urging. > Here is my theory on spiritual practice: Because we do it by > ourselves, like many other actions, like sleeping, waking, breathing, > etc. it should be as simple and easy to learn and do as possible. In > my experience and reflection, that is how our world is designed. Just > as there are those who make a big show out of the commonplace in life, > there are those like you who get so caught up in the esoterica of > spiritual practice that they can no longer see the forest for the > trees. They lose sight of the goal by being seduced by their own path. > That is the exception, not the rule as you express. Most of us just > want something like TM and TMSP to rapidly achieve the goal and get on > with our lives, not getting stuck in an endless masturbatory loop > of "this technique does this which I believe is this and that...". i agree completely. maybe Vaj's words sound esoteric and complex, but imagine a normal person listening to MMY or Bevan for the first time. my experience is that the intellectual and belief system baggage that now comes with the TMSP culture reflects what you're objecting to more than most alternative approaches which you simply practice without having to join the one true world saving tribe. > I can appreciate you have spent a lot of time and effort learning all > this esoteric knowledge, but outside a very small group of hobbyists, > does anyone else in the world even care? The answer is no. So provide > an alternate means to quickly spear the darkness of the world with > light as Maharishi has done, or please keep your itty bitty knowledge > to yourself-- it is all but worthless to the rest of us.:-) It's interesting you feel you can speak for the rest of the world in saying that nobody is interested in any spiritual approach except that of MMY's. Unfortunately that attitude sometimes keeps long term sidhas from finding practices and therapies that can help them. MMY's mass marketing which spread meditation quickly was a very positive thing, but to now cloak it with "it's the one and only thing needed" is off track. You can appreciate the good in MMY's approach without closing your eyes to the negative side effects in many many sidhas. PS -- look at the change reflected in Ron's writing (that Rick posted recently) and presumably in his OCD as a result of his new thing.
