--- In [email protected], "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Coming from my Guru, it was said there is a tradition where a Guru was > appointed Guru by their Guru. Furthermore, Maharishi did not take full > Sanyas vows, or full vows within the tradition of GuruDev. Maybe he > was a secretary? It is not normal for a Guru to entrust the innermost > knowledge to a secretary. Well here one must say, that neither you nor your Guru are fully knowledgeable about this tradition. See, its very simple to take one tradition, where one comes from, and then project on another tradition, how things ought to be. And its os nice to have email, yahoo messanger and internet at ones disposal, and using it for instruction (some more traditioanlly minded people wouldn't do). But then why doesn't your Guru look up a simple article about the Dasanami Sampradaya on Wikipedia, and she would know, that in the Saraswati order only Brahmins can be made Sanyasis? This would resolve her argument. That MMY was GD's secretary, doesn't mean he was just employed vs being a student. Anyone can see on the youtube video that he was speaking in front of GD, he is shown on photos of showing the first president of india around in the Ashram - so don't tell me he didn't have the trust of GD. I am not saying Swami G is totally wrong, but I do see that she takes her own path as sort of absolute. > My Guru said that in her case, there is one > being groomed now for this position, but this is one that has taken > sanyas and it simply is a flow that this person is selected. My Gurus > general comments are this is how a Guru is appointed, not by wanting > to be Guru or declaring ones self to be one. Traditionally this is the case. But look at the controversies in many traditions, Hindu and Buddhist - very often the succession is not clear. There maybe contradiory statements of the Guru, like in the case of Muktananda, or simply missing public instructions, or the tradition has a certain restrictive format, like in the case of GD. Therefor I think your Gurus assesment is somewhat restrictive. I also agree lagely with the critics of MMY's public antics, with the critics of many that the focus of the movement shifted to all these side issues, etc > My Guru started a TM yahoo discussion group, there are already some > posts up about this subject: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or try this: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TM_Discussion/?yguid=228252276 > > My Guru is from the same tradition as TM's Guru Dev. Obviously not, as she is a westerner, and could not have been made a swami in the saraswati order of he Dasanami Sampradaya. Lucky for, otherwise she would also be a 'self-appointed Guru' > > Ron >
