(hundred); eg. shata-patha-braahmaNa > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <rorygoff@> > wrote: > > > > That's interesting; I'd not seen any evidence that *saecularis* > > retained the original meaning of *saeculum*; >>>
And now you have. both of my > etymological > > dictionaries (Eric Partridge's Short Etymological Dictionary of > > Modern English and W. W. Skeat's Etymological Dictionary of the > > English Language) show it as (Late Latin), meaning "worldly, > secular" > > *deriving from* (but clearly different from) the (earlier Latin) > > *saeculum*, meaning "generation, century, age" or (according to > > Partridge, in Late Latin)"world." Does your dictionary show it is > an > > adjective and give the "secular" definition at all? > > > > (Either way, I've seen no evidence to imply that the noun > *saeculum* > > ever meant the adjective "secular". Novus Ordo Seclorum still is > > evidently best translated as "New Order of the Generations," > or "New > > Order of the Centuries," or "New Order of the Ages." I suppose it's > > remotely possible one could translate it as "New Order of the > > Worlds," but given that that's Late Latin and that the phrase comes > > from the Classical Latin poet Virgil (as any 18th-century Latin > > scholar would well know), such a translation would be pretty > > unlikely. > > > > Either way, translating it as "New Secular Order" is about as > logical > > as translating the cognate French phrase "fin de siecle" as "end of > > the secular," instead of "end of the century," <snip> You are stubbornly avoiding the fact that late Latin DID use it to mean secular. Con't you think your paltry 200 year old theives and traitors founding fathers were AFTER the Late Latin period??? Perhaps due to their infancy Americans are incapable of rational thinking ! > > And as an interesting aside, the Freemason Founders were probably > *not* interested in a secular (in the sense of worldly, nonspiritual, > or irreligious) world-view; one of the requirements to becoming a > Mason is belief in a Supreme Being: atheists and polytheists not > being admitted. If certain scholars are correct in positing the roots > of Freemasonry in the Templars (likely IMO), and further correct in > positing that the original Templars stem from French descendants of > the Septimanian Jewish Exilarchs (possible, IMO), then this would > make perfect sense -- Judaism being after all the ultimate and > original Monotheism..>> Incorrect. No.1: First of all, your land-grabbing, low-life, slave raping, theiving founding fathers :-), actually had one redeeming quality. Almost all of the influentual ones had a one-pointed belief in the Baconian method, and practically idolized Sir Francis Bacon (councillor to QE I, and called the "Grandfather of Modern Science"). It is very easy to show that Sir Francis Bacon, in fact, was THE MAIN INSPIRATION for your founding fathers actions in the New World, and the intention to create what Sir Francis Bacon, like all Masons, called "founding the New Atlantis." Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton and others believed one-pointedly in this goal. A non- theistic society. Perhaps your lack of knowledge of this crucial fact about the founders is what has caused you to so stubbornly resist the fact that the founding fathers used the word to mean secular. But what you fail to realise, is that that WAS THE DRIVING FORCE FOREMOST IN THEIR MINDS: A New Atlantis, based on the Baconian scientific method which would lead all mankind to enlightenment in the "New Atlantis", which they DELIBERATELY AND METHODICALLY proceeded to ACTUALLY structure, including a Masonic arhitectural model (especially for Washington DC) that vagualy resembles the concepts of Sthapatya Ved. No 2. The Jewish Gnostics, which ultimately inspired the Templars, were NOT monotheistic fundamentalists. They claimed to have gained their wisdom from the anciant Egyptians and that it was KNOWLEDGE that would enlighten mankind. They were/are an ancient esoteric society within Judaism of the utmost and primary influence within Judaism. Everything else we know about Judaism - the exoteric religious aspects - are considered of secondary importance by all Jews. The Gnostic knowledge is the last word in Jewish society. "Gnostic" is from "Gnosos" which is from Sanskrit "Gyan": Knowledge. OffWorld
