--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jun 19, 2007, at 1:19 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 19, 2007, at 12:46 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > > > > go into it at will and often chose the duration. This makes it > > > > > easier to measure. Being "insensible" to surroundings is easy to > > > > > measure. While the subject is in samadhi, you plunge the arm > > into > > > > > ice cold water and look for a response to physiological > > > > > measurements. Testing the startle reflex is another relatively > > > > > simple test. > > > > > > > > That's a test for your (and Das and Gastaut's) > > > > definition of samadhi. > > > > > > > > And it isn't even an EEG test. Ooops! > > > > > > Actually their research was the first to discover the direct > > > correlation between samadhi and high-amplitude gamma waves... > > > > Between their definition of samadhi (they refer > > to it as a state of "mental concentration") and > > gamma waves, you mean. > > Actually they used a number of descriptions.
Non sequitur, as you know. > > Vaj, you've made some high-sounding claims that > > you haven't even begun to document. > > It was not nor is it my intent to write a paper documenting their > findings. Nor did I suggest it was, or that you should do so. Non sequitur. Here are the claims I was referring to (as you know): "Mahesh holds incorrect views in regards to stages of meditation as described in the YS of Patanjali." "Actually ["modern science"] has [had an EEG definition of "legitimate" samadhi] since at least the 1950's. Interestingly this [definition of samadhi] is the same as traditional definitions and science has been able to verify the claims." > What is interesting in this case, is the lack of evidence > for samadhi in TM According to Vaj's definition of samadhi. , not the presence of it in forms of truly deep > meditation. Even more interesting to me is the recent studies on this > same phenomenon from a totally different style of meditation. >
