Ignoring the slam, focusing on the only interesting thing Judy said: --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As Barry also knows, what I "bust" him for are his > waking-state contradictions (the ones he attempts > to justify by claiming he changes constantly from > one small self to another, or by invoking the > "knowledge is different" premise as if his waking- > state contradictions fell into that category).
Do you honestly believe that the waking state is only one state of consciousness, and thus that "knowledge is different in different states of consciousness doesn't apply to it?" I'll be interested to hear your answer, because I don't. I see the "waking state" more from a Buddhist POV these days, and thus as having "ten thousand states of mind," all of them different, all of them *as* different from one another in terms of how the world appears when viewed from that state of mind as Maharishi's CC is from his "Waking State" or GC or UC. Think back, Jude. I know you were young once, and possibly...uh...overindulged in the evils of alcohol. It's even remotely possible that once or twice in your life you woke up with a screamin' hangover, the kind that first makes you think you're gonna die, and after a few minutes makes you worry that maybe you won't. In such a state of waking state, do you actually claim that the "reality" you saw around you while hung over was the *same* reality that you see after a nice, shiny meditation? (Assuming that you *have* nice, shiny, meditations, that is.) Similarly, when you've been up for 36 hours working on some deadline, and are so tired that you can barely keep your eyes open, do you honestly believe that your perceptions of the world around you are the *same* as having just arisen from a good night's sleep? (Well, in your case they might be, but I don't think most people would say that they are.) Knowledge (and the perception of "reality") are NOT just different in Maharishi's dumbed-down "seven states of consciousness." They're different in *all* of the ten thousand states of mind. Most humans, as far as I can tell, only experience about twenty or thirty of the different states of mind available to them *within* the "waking state." They bounce back and forth between the same old same old to more same old same old, never venturing past the familiar. But once you've bounced a little further on the spectrum, and have experienced a few states of mind *within* the waking state that are as different from the same old same old and from one another as CC is from GC or UC, you don't tend to believe that MMY's "7 SOCs" is anywhere near accurate. Feel free to respond with a long "gotta defend myself at all costs and slam Barry at the same time" rant if you'd like. If so, you'll find no response on my end. But if you think you can actually address the topic I've brought up, without rancor, I'd love to hear your take on it. The way I see it, *how* you choose to respond is entirely based on which of the ten thousand states of mind you've chosen to live in right now. If you have gone for the same old same old, and choose to stay there, you'll respond with more of the same old same old. But if you actually are capable of shifting your state of mind to a higher level *within* the waking state, you might find that knowledge -- and reality -- look different from that point of view. Good luck.
