--- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "geezerfreak" > > <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > One gets the "credit" for accomplishments by actually > > > > > accomplishing something, not by claiming that your > > > > > teacher did. > > > > > > > > > I absolutely agree with this last bit. I also think you are > > taking > > > > what I said to an absurd degree. What I have said is analogous > > to > > > > the fact that the electrification of the US wouldn't have > > occurred > > > > were it not for Edison. You probably don't see it that way. OK > > by > > > > me. However to imply that I am denigrating those who followed in > > > > Maharishi's footsteps, like the Vanity Fair yoga photographer, > > is > > > > not at all what I am talking about, or that anyone who has ever > > > > accomplished anything spiritually including any of us here, > > hasn't > > > > done so entirely on their own merits, through their own choice, > > and > > > > through their own efforts. > > > > > > > > However, someone had to revitalize the spiritual momentum of the > > > > world. The religions weren't doing it. The fact that it is > > Maharishi > > > > and Guru Dev doesn't matter much. It could have been anyone > > else. > > > > Reality check: Its just that it wasn't, though Yogananda did a > > great > > > > job of softening up the soil in the West so to speak. > > > > > > > > And last, this implication that Maharishi and Guru Dev did this > > and > > > > therefore it reflects on me somehow is just plain nonsensical. I > > > > hope that clarifies to you what I have said originally. In a > > > > nutshell I said what I said without any further implications or > > > > conclusions to be drawn. A settled mind. It is what it is, and > > no > > > > more. :-) > > > > > > According to you MMY is perfect and "revitalized the spiritual > > momentum of the world." > > > Do tell, oh settled mind, where is your proof of this? > > > > > Maharishi *and* Guru Dev. Do you have any proof that they haven't?:-) > > Are you serious? 99.999999% of the world's population has never heard of either Guru Dev > or MMY. The majority of the world's population who are religious follow traditions other > than Hinduism. And the vast majority of Hindus have nothing to do with MMY. > > You've heard of the civil war going on on the Iraq, right? You've heard of the other wars > going on in the middle east, right? Genocides....many, in fact most conducted in the name > of religion. Famine. > > What's YOUR proof? Pundits living behind barbed wire in FF? I'd really like to know. > > Look, if believing in the fairy tale that MMY has "revitalized the spiritual momentum of the > world" brings you pleasure in thinking that you rode the right horse in this life, instead of > some other spiritual leader, good on you. There's nothing finer than the security and warm > blanketness of being in the know, of being in on cosmic secret.
You too with the self aggrandizement argument? What is it with this? Is that why you were interested in TM and Maharishi at one time?? I don't get that connection. I've always derived a great deal from Maharishi and Guru Dev's teaching and the practice of TM, vs. going about smugly as a member of some sort of little club. My beliefs are purely derived from my experience, and not the other way around. My attitude has always been one of surrender vs. arrogance and condescension, though I might have been in the minority. Don't know, don't care. As to the world being unaware of Maharishi and Guru Dev's contribution, couldn't that be similar to Copernicus's assertion in the 15th century that the earth revolves around the sun vs the other way around? One of the few with such a belief at that time, but ultimately found to be right? Just asking the question. > But from outside this little cocoon, MMY is a big man in a tiny and ever shrinking pond. > Yes on the surface it would appear so. Just as on the surface the sun definitely and unmistakably revolves around the earth.:-)
